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[–] NounsAndWords@lemmy.world 191 points 10 months ago (19 children)

Sanders notably attributed the war in Gaza to Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and “the right-wing Netanyahu government” — not to Israel in general.

This extremely obvious distinction seems to get completely lost in every discussion on the topic. I like Israel and they have the right to exist. I don't like far right conservative governments run by corrupt war criminals (but enough about Bush...).

[–] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.world 102 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Absolutely. Just like caring about the fate of innocent Palestinians doesn't mean rooting for the Hamas terrorists. Another distinction a lot of bad faith actors conveniently ignore in order to shift the narrative.

[–] chiliedogg@lemmy.world 16 points 10 months ago (8 children)

Absolutely.

There are essentially 4 groups that need to be discussed here. The governments of Palestine and Israel, and the civilians of Palestine and Israel.

The governments are both murderous monsters who feed off of each other to fuel their hatred and justify genocide.

The civilians are the Innocents being killed and displaced.

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[–] wandermind@sopuli.xyz 43 points 10 months ago

In part because there are people actively and deliberately muddying together the Netanyahu government and Israel (as well as Israel and Jews) so that any criticism of the actions of Israel or Netanyahu can be labeled "antisemitism".

[–] NoneOfUrBusiness@kbin.social 12 points 10 months ago (11 children)

I mean Netanyahu has been winning elections since 1996 (granted there was a gap in the middle) so the election is getting dubious.

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[–] IchNichtenLichten@lemmy.world 148 points 10 months ago (3 children)

Has this guy ever been wrong about anything?

Best President we never had.

[–] RubberElectrons@lemmy.world 35 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Pity right? Right up there with what could've been had RBG stepped down a bit earlier.

[–] rosymind@leminal.space 25 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I'll never forgive her for clinging on to power. She destroyed her legacy and ruined lives for the greed of it

[–] return2ozma@lemmy.world 25 points 10 months ago (4 children)

RBG wanted Hillary to pick her replacement. The hubris of that decision. SMH

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[–] dumpsterlid@lemmy.world 30 points 10 months ago (7 children)

I mean yeah he actually wasn’t quick to denounce Israel’s genocide in Gaza. I am super happy he has come around but I think I’m the beginning he was reluctant to (not because he agreed with it, because he probably didn’t want to mess with Israeli money coming after him politically).

[–] IchNichtenLichten@lemmy.world 42 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I doubt he gives a good fuck about AIPAC setting their sights on him, they've been sniping for years.

I can't speak for him but my bet is that he's experienced enough to wait for the dust to settle a little before forming an opinion.

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[–] jasondj@ttrpg.network 28 points 10 months ago

Dude was raised in a Jewish family and volunteered with his wife in Israel in college.

Mad props for ever speaking out about Israel, IMO.

[–] OrteilGenou@lemmy.world 23 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I don't think he's alone. The Hamas attack was a shock to many people, and Israel of course would respond but... even six weeks ago it was starting to become obvious that this was a gross overreaction.

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[–] BradleyUffner@lemmy.world 15 points 10 months ago (5 children)

He's against nuclear power, and that's the only thing I've ever disagreed with him on.

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[–] thesprongler@lemmy.world 106 points 10 months ago (3 children)

Awaiting the Christian Right to call him antisemitic.

[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 52 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Conservative Democrats will do it first.

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[–] NoneOfUrBusiness@kbin.social 13 points 10 months ago

Not the first time this happened.

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[–] WhatAmLemmy@lemmy.world 66 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Military industrial complex goes BRRRRRRR while the oligarchy distracts you with yet another "most important election of your life" — forcing you to choose between fascist dystopia or neoliberal dystopia instead of ... actually improving the planet and society for future generations.

[–] xor@sh.itjust.works 53 points 10 months ago (12 children)

ok but, trump actually directly said he plans on being a dictator... it's really the most important election in much of american history...

[–] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.world 15 points 10 months ago (3 children)

Just because Biden is the lesser evil (and he most certainly is. By far) doesn't mean that he should be allowed to be an evil.

He's supposed to represent the interests of every American who isn't a fascist, not a foreign government that IS fascist.

[–] BeefPiano@lemmy.world 25 points 10 months ago (5 children)

Agreed. What does that change? I’m still voting for Biden.

There aren’t any perfect choices in life, all choices of consequence have downsides. Sometimes it’s choosing harm reduction. The man has a solid record of progress with climate legislation, pardoning marijuana possession charges, limiting insulin prices and more.

Could he do better? Hell yeah. But I’m an adult in a democracy and I understand that a vote is a tool, not a moral stance. I can apply that tool in the most effective way by voting for a lesser evil.

I also have other tools at my disposal, like money. So I give my money to groups like FairVote that supports Ranked Choice Voting so that, long after the 2024 election, we can vote for candidates instead of against them.

But I’m not boycotting the system we have unless someone can convince me that Trump will see a lack of voter turnout as a lack of mandate to implement his anti-Democratic, thuggish, racist, sexist plans.

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[–] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.world 15 points 10 months ago

Fossil fuel industry too, since there's a shitload of natural gas off the coast of Gaza.

[–] phx@lemmy.ca 54 points 10 months ago (3 children)

Yeah it's hard to disagree with this. While I don't think that the US or Canada can do much to influence the situation politically, neither should they be providing support militarily.

[–] Thief_of_Crows@sh.itjust.works 51 points 10 months ago (3 children)

Bro the US used their veto in the UN to prevent the demand for a ceasefire passing. Literally only USA and Israel voted against. The US is the most powerful country in the world for now, you'd be hard pressed to find an arena of politics they DONT have immense power over. Certainly they have power over the genocides their allies do.

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[–] 96VXb9ktTjFnRi@feddit.nl 33 points 10 months ago (10 children)

Hmm, I feel like the US are why Israel can do as it pleases. If it weren't for the US backup the chances of a new war on Israel by several of it's neighbors backed by Iran would be very plausible. I don't wish for this to happen, it would be horrible, and I understand that the US should perhaps back Israel to a certain degree. But in return they can ask a lot from Israel, and if Israel doesn't even comply with not committing terrible war crimes, then the US could threaten them with not having their backs anymore.

What I'm trying to say is: I think you underestimate the role the US can play.

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[–] affiliate@lemmy.world 29 points 10 months ago

providing military support is influencing the situation politically

[–] shredderdoitbetta@lemmy.world 25 points 10 months ago

Stop funding terrorists, stop funding evil regimes, it's not so hard

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