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Hi guys, first of all, I fully support Piracy. But Im writing a piece on my blog about what I might considere as "Ethical Piracy" and I would like to hear your concepts of it.

Basically my line is if I have the capacity of paying for something and is more convinient that pirating, ill pay. It happens to me a lot when I wanna watch a movie with my boyfriend. I like original audio, but he likes dub, so instead of scrapping through the web looking for a dub, I just select the language on the streaming platform. That is convinient to me.

In what situations do you think is not OK to pirate something? And where is 100 justified and everybody should sail the seas instead?

I would like to hear you.

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[–] littlecolt@lemm.ee 5 points 2 years ago
[–] xyzinferno@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago

For me, I mostly rationalize my piracy as something generally unethical that I choose to partake in anyways. People often cite piracy as an issue with the service being provided, but there's just a lot of instances where I'd rather pirate something than pay for it, not because the service is bad, but because "Why pay for something when I can just get it free, eh?"

Though I think there is one specific case where I'd undoubtedly consider piracy ethical, which is for products that are not being sold on the market currently. Take a retro video game for instance. If it isn't being sold by any company, then there is no way to legally play the game apart from getting a secondhand copy. Either way, the company that owns the rights to it won't derive profit, and they aren't involved in secondhand markets whatsoever, so pirating the game effectively results in 0 negative consequences for any party, compared to legally acquiring it.

[–] carl_dungeon@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago

When you are a student and cannot obtain a reasonably priced copy of software- as a company I would see this as a sure fire way to onboard a new generation into my product which will then be paid for with company money later on.

[–] 47_alpha_tango@lemmy.zip 4 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

For games if there is no way of buying it new and supporting the developers I’ll just download a ROM. It makes absolutely no difference to the developer or publisher whether I buy it used or pirate it. They aren’t getting any of the money either way.

Or if it’s a PC game and I’m not sure it will run on my system I’ll pirate it and if it runs they get my money.

As for movies and TV if it’s available to buy on physical on DVD, Blu Ray, 4K Blu Ray I’ll buy it. But if it’s only streaming or on VOD I’ll pirate it. There’s been too many cases of purchased content being removed from peoples accounts.

Basically if they want my money it needs to be available to buy brand new in a way that won’t just disappear one day.

[–] teft@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago (1 children)

All piracy is ethical since all information should be free.

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[–] CaptionAdam@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago

For me anything Nintendo is fair game, I also dont bat an eye at any movie or show piracy.

[–] jules@fedi196.gay 4 points 2 years ago

A lot of folk bring up (correctly, imo) indie creators and end up mentioning Stardew Valley as an example - especially within the first couple years of its release. SV as an example has fell off, as it's had it's years to rake in cash.

But I absolutely pirated SV for YEARS, multiple times. I was in a place where I was utterly broke, could not always afford food, and only had internet because of assistance programs. My laptop couldn't run much, not even minecraft at that point. It could, however, run Stardew Valley. So I re-downloaded it multiple times over the handful of hand-me-down hard drives that I used in a laptop that kept frying hard drives. (eyeroll)

I did eventually get to a place financially where I could afford to buy SV, so I did. Then it went on sale on console so I bought it again, knowing I'd never play it (console without the aiming mod is awful), but it helped pay it back how much play time I'd enjoyed back when I couldn't afford the game.

That, to me, is ethical.

[–] ComradeKhoumrag@infosec.pub 3 points 2 years ago

Whenever EA or Ubisoft releases a half assed game with stellar marketing

[–] Pixel@lemmy.sdf.org 3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

I believe online piracy is the uploading part, not the downloading. I think uploading has a much more narrow use case, but if everyone stopped we wouldn't be able to download.

[–] itsAsin@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 years ago

i have downloaded tens of thousands of dollars of audio recording software. i always told myself that, if i were to ever make money from my efforts and usage thereof, i would be happy to pay the author.

i never made any money. but i hope the right people got paid by those that did.

[–] oldfart@lemm.ee 3 points 2 years ago

I stopped going to cinema when the Hollywood movie cartel started messing with freedom on the internet, and I don't feel any remorse pirating Hollywood movies.

When I started earning enough to have disposable income, I made sure to buy ebooks and audiobooks, as well as supporting my favourite musicians on Bandcamp or by buying merch.

[–] FluorideMind@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I can't really trust that a game is worth the price tag anymore. So I treat piracy as a extended demo. If I feel the fun to price ratio is solid I'll buy the game.

[–] gigachad@feddit.de 3 points 2 years ago (2 children)

I think the system of Steam letting you try out a game for 2 hours/2 weeks is pretty fair. You can return it without further reasons.

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[–] c1177johuk@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago

Pirating content with the intent to buy it after trying it out using the pirated version (e.G indie games)

[–] Buttfore@lemmynsfw.com 3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

I purchased Zelda BotW when it was 6ish months old. Didn't like it, didn't finish it.

I'm working on getting it now on the steam deck because it's critically acclaimed and I'd like to understand what other people like so much about it. It's also my young nephew's favorite game. Totally legal emulation if I were actually dumping my own firmware.

When I pirate Tears of the Kingdom afterward, I'll have several different reasons;

The switch is underpowered. I'm done buying games for a device that can't keep up with modern game development. I'm not some performance purist either, I'd just like 60 frames at 1080. Zelda still looks good at that res. Also the hardware just kinda sucks. The joycon issues remain unaddressed and and the facebutton mapping should at least be mappable on a system level if they insist on being backwards.

Nintendo has pathetic online gameplay support, and a history now of gutting their digital stores. If I'm going to lose access to my switch purchases in the same time frame that the cartridges give out, I'm not paying. The walled garden they've created as a children's toy company doesn't serve me at 30.

If they'd throw these games on steam or epic with some industry-standard sales on occasion I'd just buy them outright.

If nintendo sold a box closer to a PS4/5 in power I could call my emulation unethical, but they don't. Their game runs better as an illegitimate product and that's on them.

[–] HurlingDurling@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago

To me it's like buying a physical book, but then downloading a drm version of the ebook.

[–] Aceticon@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Even in the very strict sense of "ethical" (pretty much a simpleton's "Ethics == Law"), I would say that Abandonware is abolutely ethical to pirate.

By its own definition it's software that is not being commercialized anymore, so nobody "loses" (if you use the current intellectual property legislation to defined winning/losing) any copyright income when somebody else copies it without paying them because there are no options for those people to get it by paying - even by the most fantastical definition of it, it's not a "lost sale".

Now, if the copyright owners resume commercialization of it, then it stops being abandonware hence stops being ethical to pirate it under this definition.

That said, for me anything that's outside the copyright length in the original legilsation (14 years) before Disney bought themselves extension after extension until the current "lifetime of the author + 70 years" (which adds up to around 150 years) is absolutelly ethical to pirate (or if you want to ponder on the Ethics of it: "Is it ethical to obbey a Law or a change of it which was bought?!").

[–] RobotToaster@infosec.pub 2 points 2 years ago

It's a tautology.

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