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TAIPEI, Taiwan (AP) — China accused the United States of turning Taiwan into an “ammunition depot” after the White House announced a $345 million military aid package for Taipei, and the self-ruled island said Sunday it tracked six Chinese navy ships in waters off its shores.

China’s Taiwan Affairs Office issued a statement late Saturday opposing the military aid to Taiwan, which China claims as its own territory.

“No matter how much of the ordinary people’s taxpayer money the ... Taiwanese separatist forces spend, no matter how many U.S. weapons, it will not shake our resolve to solve the Taiwan problem. Or shake our firm will to realize the reunification of our motherland,” said Chen Binhua, a spokesperson for the Taiwan Affairs Office.

“Their actions are turning Taiwan into a powder keg and ammunition depot, aggravating the threat of war in the Taiwan Strait,” the statement said.

China’s People’s Liberation Army has increased its military maneuvers in recent years aimed at Taiwan, sending fighter jets and warships to circle the island.

On Sunday, Taiwan’s Ministry of National Defense said it tracked six Chinese navy ships near the island.

Taiwan’s ruling administration, led by the Democratic Progressive Party, has stepped up its weapons purchases from the U.S. as part of a deterrence strategy against a Chinese invasion.

China and Taiwan split amid civil war in 1949, and Taiwan has never been governed by China’s ruling Communist Party.

Unlike previous military purchases, the latest batch of aid is part of a presidential authority approved by the U.S. Congress last year to draw weapons from current U.S. military stockpiles — so Taiwan will not have to wait for military production and sales.

While Taiwan has purchased $19 billion worth of weaponry, much of it has yet to be delivered to Taiwan. Washington will send man-portable air defense systems, intelligence and surveillance capabilities, firearms and missiles to Taiwan.

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[–] awwwyissss@lemm.ee 100 points 1 year ago (25 children)

The island is already unified, they very clearly reject the CCPs authoritarian, violent demands.

Fuck the CCP, Taiwan is a free country.

[–] PolydoreSmith@lemmy.world 25 points 1 year ago (8 children)

I was gonna say, loving the use of the word “unify”. I also feel like the AP could have editorialized just a bit at least for the headline and maybe gone with something more along the lines of “reclaim”.

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[–] Aurenkin@sh.itjust.works 86 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Ah yes, giving military aid to Taiwan is turning it into a powder keg and aggravating the threat of war. Firing missile into the ocean all around Taiwan is just a calm and rational thing to do to help ease tensions in the region.

Fuck off CCP.

[–] BettyWhiteInHD@lemmy.world 52 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Everybody should just discount anything that the Chinese government says. Governments and officials anywhere lie, but the CCP is particularly deceitful.

There shouldn't even be articles written about it since their word means nothing essentially. They will and have a proven history of saying one thing and then doing another for as long as they've existed. This isn't really news.

Also as this platform and community continues to grow, be very cautious about pro CCP shills. They absolutely have a massive online presence on all of social media and are constantly targeting and reporting anti CCP content and spreading misinformation and starting with whataboutism when any criticism of it comes up. It's a well known tactic and we can't let them take control and push their narrative here. Just a heads up, there are already a couple very suspicious accounts here defending the CCP.

[–] TheDeadGuy@kbin.social 32 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Yeah Taiwan has had independence far too long for them to accept being swept into the Chinese system.

A lot of hypocritical trolling in this thread. Tankie lemmy?

[–] gornar@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago

And look what happened yo Hong Kong after "promises" anyway! A reasonable person would expect the same treatment or worse for Taiwan

[–] Reverendender@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 year ago

They were never really “dependent” to begin with. It was a split, and Taiwan is what remains of the OG Chinese Government. They’re kind of MORE legit that the CCP.

[–] UlrikHD@programming.dev 41 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Taiwan would never attack China, the only way a war between China and Taiwan happens is if China invades Taiwan.

China saying this increases the "risk" of war is nothing but doublespeak.

[–] echodot@feddit.uk 5 points 1 year ago

If anything decreases the risk of War as in it decreases the likelihood China will do anything.

Them complaining about it is actually a sign of that the determined is working.

[–] kokiriflute@lemmy.world 38 points 1 year ago (8 children)

Imperialist China wants to take more land by force.

We should continue to stand up for the sovereign rights of any country being bullied by a larger country.

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[–] PeckerBrown@lemmy.world 36 points 1 year ago

Hey, CCP! You mean 'steal' the island.

[–] jaschen@lemmy.world 26 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Ask Putin how the "fuck around" is doing for his country?

[–] rustyfish@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

They won’t do anything. The Chinese government is terrified by Taiwan. So sadly the Russians are the only ones who enter the „finding out“.

[–] Zaktor@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

So sadly the Russians are the only ones who enter the „finding out“.

Counterpoint: It's not sad that there isn't going to be a war, whether or not it might be humiliating to an authoritarian regime.

[–] Thedogspaw@midwest.social 25 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Maybe all the dead Chinese soldiers will be a deterrent too them

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[–] Treczoks@lemmy.world 18 points 1 year ago

So "unify" is the new "rape and pillage"?

[–] Mousebulb@lemm.ee 15 points 1 year ago
[–] randon31415@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

"Unify the island" says west Tawain. Should it read "Unity with the island?"

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[–] JohnDClay@sh.itjust.works 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

If course they say that, they don't want aid going to Tiwan, so make people think it won't help. You can't rely on an opposing parties appraisal of what it's response is going to be, since they have massive insensitive to bluff.

Edit: here's the population pyramid, doesn't look very pyramidal

China population over time

[–] Pons_Aelius@kbin.social 2 points 1 year ago

doesn’t look very pyramidal

What it says to me is "China has a decade or so left before they won't have the manpower to attempt an invasion".

That to me, is more worrying than reassuring.

[–] Risk@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Big yikes on that pyramid. Please could you share where you got it from?

[–] JohnDClay@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] Risk@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

Thanks. China looks like it might have a big problem on its hands with that large volume of young men without partners.

[–] Lenins2ndCat@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I think people have some pretty unrealistic expectations about Taiwan.

It's not going to shake out like Ukraine, and that's mostly because the geography is totally different. If this ever does escalate to the point that China goes in militarily there is basically absolutely no chance that Taiwan wins.

Why? Because it's impossible to supply it. Ukraine has held out this long because it's a country with an absolutely massive border and very good train infrastructure. This allows for supplying the country very effectively.

Taiwan on the other hand is an island that will be blockaded as soon as any conflict starts. The only way you will be able to supply it is by breaking that blockade, effectively starting ww3. On top of that the lack of infrastructure means that any supplies sent will be very very very slow, and there will be no civilian traffic to hide weapons shipments.

Hopefully it doesn't ever come to that occurring. But if it does happen we will either be getting ww3 or watching as the blockade simply allows the island to run out of essential munitions and then takes it.

[–] Ryumast3r@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It also means that the difficulty in taking over taiwan, from China, is also that much more difficult.

Every nation that trades with Taiwan has a vested interest in getting past, or preventing a Chinese blockade of the island.

China cannot defeat the combined navies of South East Asia + pacific + USA, plus the coastal batteries and medium-ranged missile capability that taiwan is building up.

China, at best, can attempt to bomb the island into nothing, which also isn't exactly palatable.

[–] Lenins2ndCat@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

They don't need to defeat any of those, because they won't fight. Much like nobody will fight Russia. Because it means ww3.

They will just continue to work on moving chip manufacturing elsewhere, they have that whole thing with moving TSMC to the US but there's so much racism that a lot of the high-skill workers that are essential to research and operations don't seem to want to move. If the US bothered addressing that it would go a lot smoother.

[–] wanderingmagus@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Don't worry, we have contingency plans in place to ensure any attempts at a blockade will militarily fail. Why do you think strategic nuclear submarines openly ported in South Korea and Australia recently?

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[–] Zengen@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

This is a very old blood feud. Taiwan's government is the former government of mainland China (the republic of China) prior to 1949 communist civil war. The ROC ended the qing dynasty, the longest monarchic dynasty in Chinese history and instituted democracy. When the communists took over the republic of chinas leadership were basically fled and the country and established Taiwan. To the CCP Taiwanistill represents the republic of China, and just like north and south Korea, the CCP is still at war with the republic of China (Taiwan).

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