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From good old r/EuropeanSocialists. What a shithole. https://www.reddit.com/r/EuropeanSocialists/comments/103cze7/imperialism/j2ymj23/

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[–] frogloom@hexbear.net 51 points 10 months ago (3 children)

i will say paying women in 3rd world countries to be surrogates is far too common and fucked up

[–] iridaniotter@hexbear.net 34 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Love it when queer rights checklists include commercial surrogacy as something we should uncritically want lmao

[–] manuallybreathing@hexbear.net 17 points 10 months ago

I just want to be able to joke about my breeding kink and how I want to breed my man wife, I dont want to have children, i've had a vasectomy

I told the doctor I was doing my part to destroy white supremacy

[–] Tankiedesantski@hexbear.net 15 points 10 months ago

The most fucked up version of this is where the surrogate mother (i.e. the mother) decides to keep her child in the end and the rich Westoids have a cry on the local news about how hard done they are.

[–] mar_k@hexbear.net 8 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Even non-exploitative gestational surrogacy weirds me out. Is it queer men trying to seem more "valid" in a heteronormative world that sees the idea of children as more genetic than sociological? If I marry the same sex when I'm older I'm adopting without question, fuck bougie white gays and their fashy bloodline obsession (cough pete)

Not having a blood connection with your kid does not make you any less their "real" parent. If you feel any different or think sharing their blood will strengthen your bond pls don't have kids because it's giving eugenics

[–] Juice@hexbear.net 32 points 10 months ago (1 children)
[–] wopazoo@hexbear.net 24 points 10 months ago

coming up with a woke way to say race mixing is wrong is so real

[–] Wheaties@hexbear.net 30 points 10 months ago (1 children)

the anglosphere doesn't bother with definitions, words just exist as a vibe. That's why we keep nicking phrases from other languages, we gotta import encoded meaning from the French.

[–] Xx_Aru_xX@hexbear.net 13 points 10 months ago

Explains half the arguments I had with English speakers online

[–] iridaniotter@hexbear.net 29 points 10 months ago

I mean yes America does have a history of destroying countries and then opening up an adoption market there to profit off of the destruction. If this person was capable of reason, they would be shocked to hear that this has mostly been for the benefit of straight Americans, with some gays sprinkled in only recently. shocked-pikachu

[–] Tankiedesantski@hexbear.net 20 points 10 months ago (4 children)

Every single Asian person I've known who was adopted by white people have had deep and fucked up self-hate issues so I personally think there is something deeply problematic with international adoptions on a systematic level.

[–] Tunnelvision@hexbear.net 15 points 10 months ago

white

I think this might be the main crux of the problem.

[–] Raebxeh@hexbear.net 12 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Transracial adoptions can be fucked specifically because of preexisting racial disparities. Imagine having kids at school call you the n word and “cotton picker” all day and when you tell your white parents, their advice is that bullies are looking for attention, so you should ignore them.

[–] Tankiedesantski@hexbear.net 4 points 10 months ago

I had a similar situation (obviously with different racial slurs) and my first generation immigrant parents gave me the same advice. I love my parents and they were doing their best, but some people just aren't equipped to understand the racial dynamics of a Westoid school.

[–] frogloom@hexbear.net 11 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

from my experience, most asians who grew up in america have those issues too thanks to the overwhelming presence of white supremacy in american society

[–] somename@hexbear.net 20 points 10 months ago

They had the seed of a good idea, but then made it way too wide lol

[–] Pluto@hexbear.net 19 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Seriously, how are these people "socialists"?

I can certainly believe that they're "European," at the very least...

[–] utopologist@hexbear.net 20 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Perhaps they're socialists of the national kind...

[–] Awoo@hexbear.net 12 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

I think "European" is being used by them to replace "national" in a project that combines patsoc vibes with the "european socialist" re-framing of national socialism.

Helps that socialism is very popular and you can catch a lot of people that signal boost your project.

[–] JohnBrownNote@hexbear.net 10 points 10 months ago

bonus points for confusing people who think the nordic states are socialist

[–] MechanizedPossum@hexbear.net 6 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Seriously, how are these people "socialists"?

Look at this thread, some people here immediately jump to the opportunity to support them.

[–] Pluto@hexbear.net 3 points 10 months ago

Frankly, I'm not surprised; ML spaces can sometimes be echo-chamber-y and this contributes to people overlooking PatSocs and toxicity and trolls.

IMHO.

[–] Ram_The_Manparts@hexbear.net 2 points 10 months ago

Where are you seeing that?

[–] Awoo@hexbear.net 16 points 10 months ago (1 children)

"European" is used as a dogwhistle by euro-fascists in my opinion. Having had experience with the crew running this I think they're feds or fash.

[–] thirtymilliondeadfish@hexbear.net 8 points 10 months ago (1 children)

euro-fascists, ameri-fascists, australi-fascists,

[–] Awoo@hexbear.net 8 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Yeah basically a stand in for "national" and a sprinkling of patsoc vibes to heavily confuse.

[–] thirtymilliondeadfish@hexbear.net 8 points 10 months ago

national, patriotic thinking-about-it

[–] AntiOutsideAktion@hexbear.net 9 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

you know what we call people who can't produce their own insulin?

Jehovah's Witnesses stay winning

[–] Pluto@hexbear.net 9 points 10 months ago

I can't believe it at this point.

[–] Ram_The_Manparts@hexbear.net 9 points 10 months ago

I've seen multiple examples of the most active mod in that sub literally doing the "the world is run by a jewish cabal" thing.

Absolute fucking joke.

[–] SexUnderSocialism@hexbear.net 8 points 10 months ago

Ah yes, I had already forgotten about that shithole. It's basically stupidpol but European.

[–] Dessa@hexbear.net 6 points 10 months ago

Anarcho-antinatalists rise up!

[–] keepcarrot@hexbear.net 5 points 10 months ago

If a region loots the rest of the world for 4 centuries and then claims it is socialist (the good kind) but they don't return any of the fruits of said four centuries of looting AND try to maintain an exclusionary wall between ethnic or national in-groups and out-groups, do they lose the "imperialist" label?

(not to take any of this framing at face value, bleh)

[–] Maoo@hexbear.net 1 points 10 months ago

That sub is full of legit full-blown reactionaries

[–] mar_k@hexbear.net 1 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

I think surrogacy or adoption from the global south from any sexuality is bad, but it's safe to assume this person is homophobic. This is the type of shit that subreddit upvotes:

[–] xor@lemm.ee 1 points 10 months ago

weird how they're adopting orphans that would starve on the streets... or be forced to do hard labor while singing "it's a hard knock life"
but they're imperialists...