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[–] explodicle@local106.com 26 points 11 months ago

TL;DR: it's because China and India didn't join in, and market prices gonna equilibrium.

[–] Korkki@lemmy.world 13 points 11 months ago (3 children)

All of the sanctions and European energy security were banked on the idea that Russian frontlines would collapse under the super Nato equipped Ukrainian counterattack and then there would be a regime change in Moscow and gas would flow again. Now Ukraine is on the backfoot, there is no change in Moscow and Russia oil still flows to Europe, but only through intermediaries and loopholes, because there really never was an short to medium term alternative for it in the way the global oil market is structured. The sanctions were actual serious sanctions and their architects thought that they would actually work, but the decisions were made on faulty assumptions of effectiveness of sanctions and the structure of Russia economy.

[–] mihies@kbin.social 3 points 11 months ago

Sadly there were not very well equipped units in first place or there weren't many of them, because arms industry wants a perpetual war, not a quick victory. Looks like the oil faction doesn't know what arms industry faction does. Or they were simply delusional.

[–] AlijahTheMediocre@lemmy.world 0 points 11 months ago

Super NATO equipped Ukrainians is funny, because for the most part they've always been under equipped. If NATO hadn't been so reserved and gave Ukraine a blank check from the get go they would have stomped Russia. Still no F-16s, Hungary and Republicans are stonewalling efforts being authoritarian sympathizers, and now Ukrainians are starting to feel ammo and manpower shortages.

[–] voight@hexbear.net 1 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Ukraine has paid the price for the inter-imperialist struggle between the US and Europe

[–] bartolomeo@suppo.fi 1 points 11 months ago

What was the conflict between the US and Europe?

[–] realitista@lemmy.world 0 points 11 months ago

I've read elsewhere that it was down 41%, and also, you have to take any numbers that Russia publishes with a big grain of salt these days, as they are hiding most fundamental economic data from the world and the best way to get it is from other sources that try to recreate it from other data.