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The last time around, Trump’s efforts to pack the Defense Department with cranks and flunkies came too late to bring the military under his full political control. The president and his advisers were slow-footed and disorganized, and lacked familiarity with Washington politics. They were hindered as well by the courage and professionalism of the military officers and civilian appointees who, side by side, serve in the Defense Department.

... In a second term, Trump would combine his instincts for revenge and self-protection. He would seek not only to get even with an officer corps that he thinks betrayed him, but also to break the military as one of the few institutions able to constrain his attempts to act against the Constitution and the rule of law.

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[-] AlfredEinstein@lemmy.world 44 points 9 months ago

Isn't it pretty well understood that the reason Senator Tubberville was holding up all those military promotions was to keep the slots open for Trump loyalists.

He's still holding the top General slots open for just that reason.

[-] TechyDad@lemmy.world 13 points 9 months ago

He's still holding up a lot of other spots by holding those top general slots as well. For the lower promotions to go through, they need the people moving into their top general slots to vacate their positions. And for the even lower ones, they need the lower ones to move up.

Tuberville essentially said that he's not going to hold up the entire line of people, just a few at the head of the line. But holding up the head of the line means the rest of the line is impacted.

[-] Cruxifux@lemmy.world 40 points 9 months ago

It’s really a sad day when I have to choose to side with the American military as the lesser of two evils.

The world is fucked and it’s largely due to American elites and the military they controls interests.

[-] Sanctus@lemmy.world 21 points 9 months ago

Who could have guessed allowing private interests a large say in our government would have ended up this way?

[-] MindSkipperBro12@lemmy.world 17 points 9 months ago

Just be thankful that the military has always been known as very apolitical in US history. With how this boat keeps rocking, though, I hope it stays that way.

[-] cmbabul@lemmy.world 24 points 9 months ago

I’m worried we’re gonna be some level of politically fucked no matter what but I’m 100% sure that if Trump wins or is handed the election like W in 2000 the United States will cease to exist not only as we know it but potentially as an entity altogether. It will be civil war, because as fucked up as our system is there are still decent people in positions of power to resist what he tries to do and he will send the military in to enforce.

That’s already a civil war to me but when citizens resist and there’s mutinies from any percentage of soldiers that refuse to fire on their countrymen it will become a full conflict and that will cascade one way or the other to the rest of the country. Maybe not every city or county, but enough of them.

[-] SkyezOpen@lemmy.world 6 points 9 months ago

he will send the military in to enforce.

Gonna be more than a few deserters. I don't think the president can even deploy federal troops stateside, and you better believe the national guard aren't going to shoot their neighbors.

[-] KingThrillgore@lemmy.ml 7 points 9 months ago

Not a local state's national guard. They will send in other states.

[-] cmbabul@lemmy.world 5 points 9 months ago

Probably but a very non insignificant percentage are gonna support him

[-] loopedcandle@lemmynsfw.com 2 points 9 months ago

Well we are kinda already talking about a guy that DGAF about the rule of law. However, I think this is what you're looking for: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posse_Comitatus_Act

[-] JustZ@lemmy.world 6 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Trump and his team twice prepared memos and executive orders enacting posse comitatus against black lives matters protesters and to seize election equipment from municipal county and state governments.

Only a few adults in the room were able to stop us from going into effect. If he wins another term, those adults will not be in the room. They are planning to purge the government on day one and are already building lists of thousands of people who are potential loyalists to Trump.

It will truly be the end of American democracy and that is not hyperbole at all.

[-] treadful@lemmy.zip 3 points 9 months ago

My bet is a silent takeover with little resistance.

[-] Mostly_Gristle@lemmy.world 14 points 9 months ago

Of course it would be. Dictatorships aren't really possible in a country with a military that refuses to march against its own people.

[-] RizzRustbolt@lemmy.world 1 points 9 months ago

And a military that is willing to kill its own people has recently shown that it's pretty bad about going up against other armies.

[-] cabron_offsets@lemmy.world 9 points 9 months ago

The republican traitor filth must be brought low.

[-] KingThrillgore@lemmy.ml 3 points 9 months ago

I hope there are stay behinds in case the military goes against the public, but I doubt ut

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