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When the Ukraine war kicked off there were Ukraine flags all over the place. All the lib houses with the "we believe in signs" had it up. Now I'm not surprised they aren't flying Palestinian flags right now, but I haven't seen a single one and I'm in "blue hole" part of the country. I would expect to see something more than the occasional pin or button. It pisses me off that people still have out their sunbleached Ukraine flags while there is a blantant genocide going on. Truly it reveals the liberal libidinal urge for permission.

Is there a better place to buy a Palestinian flag than amazon?

EDIT: I dont expect the same houses flying Ukrainian flags to fly Palestinian flags. I just expect some homes in my city to be flying a Palestinian flag. Its such a blue hole that theres actually a socialist presence. I know there's people who support Palestine here. I'm not worried about a Zionist lynch mob.

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[–] GeorgeZBush@hexbear.net 44 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

As others have said, libs don't support Palestine, but also I feel like the more common way to demonstrate solidarity is to wear a keffiyeh.

Also you won't get accused of antisemitism for flying a Ukraine flag.

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[–] OprahsedCreature@lemmy.ml 42 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Because the ADL is a ridiculously outsizedly powerful lobby with data collecting and doxxing operations on dissidents and a misstep can end your ability to find gainful employment, possibly forever. Read up a bit on their pro-apartheid activities back in the day, it's crazy.

[–] captcha@hexbear.net 7 points 11 months ago

I dont think they're google street view my home.

[–] The_Grinch@hexbear.net 41 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Personally, I don't have home insurance.

[–] captcha@hexbear.net 18 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Is it just fear thats keeping us back? Again, I'm in a blue hole, its very likely that I might just break a seal. Here's hoping.

[–] The_Grinch@hexbear.net 13 points 11 months ago

Best luck o7

[–] Kuori@hexbear.net 11 points 11 months ago (1 children)

pretty much. same reason i don't fly a trans flag even though i think it'd be cute.

i am weak to fire and bullets

[–] captcha@hexbear.net 8 points 11 months ago (1 children)

There's trans flags all over here. Pretty normal for a business to put one In a window.

[–] usa_suxxx@hexbear.net 7 points 11 months ago

Same experience here. Blue neighborhoods got trans flags, LGBTQIA flags, and Ukraine flags.

[–] flan@hexbear.net 36 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

There is literally a whatsapp group of rich investors and CEOs and Israeli agents going around getting random people fired for supporting Palestine

https://jackpoulson.substack.com/p/inside-the-pro-israel-information

[–] captcha@hexbear.net 8 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Yeah but they're targeting people who matter like journalists, professors, journalists, altheletes, etc.

You must keep an appropriate threat model if you're gonna get paranoid about surveillance. Reactionary neighbors, local police, landlords; these are people who might take your politics personally. But to billionaires and such you're just a statistic.

[–] flan@hexbear.net 19 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I'm sorry that's not the case.

As the Israel-Hamas war began to heat up in late October, Courtney Carey, a Dublin-based employee of the Israeli website building company Wix, posted the Irish words “SAOIRSE DON PHALAISTIN” -- “Freedom for Palestine” -- on her LinkedIn page.

Within 24 hours of Carey’s LinkedIn post appearing, Alon Ozer, a Miami-based investor, took a screenshot of the post and shared it with a WhatsApp group of more than 300 like-minded investors, tech executives, activists, and at least one senior Israeli government official. Ozer took care to note that Carey worked for Wix.

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[–] tree@lemmy.zip 34 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

Honestly a lot of it probably has to do with young people not owning houses and a lot of renting situations banning you from displaying any kind of flag or sign, I think that's standard in a lot of leases now, Palestinian support skews super young at least in North America so not surprised that older house owning libs aren't taking a moral stand.

https://palestineonlinestore.com/product/palestine-flags/

https://www.paliroots.com/products/premium-palestine-flag#productTabs4

I'm familiar with both of these sites they are definitely options if you would prefer not to buy from a mega corpo

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[–] Moss@hexbear.net 33 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I assume you live in America? Here in Ireland Palestine flags are everywhere, they were before the current war but even more so now. There's probably ten times as many Palestinian flags as there are Ukrainian flags at this point

[–] CthulhusIntern@hexbear.net 26 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Ireland once again proving themselves to be the only good western country.

[–] Moss@hexbear.net 22 points 11 months ago (1 children)

It turns out that being the blueprint for western colonisation makes a country pretty sympathetic to anti-colonial causes

[–] CthulhusIntern@hexbear.net 12 points 11 months ago

Ireland is always on the right side of history because they were the first victims of the British Empire, so they decided they would take the opposite side of the British from then on, which by default puts them on the right side of history.

[–] Maoo@hexbear.net 32 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Liberals don't support Palestine

[–] captcha@hexbear.net 8 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Like I said, I dont expect the same houses with Ukrainian flags to fly Palestinian flags. I would expect some home to fly one. There are leftist/socialists in my area who do support Palestine.

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[–] invo_rt@hexbear.net 30 points 11 months ago (2 children)

The only one I've seen is some gigantic Chevy suburban with the entire hood and doors painted like Palestinian flags and also flying a huge one on a pole off the back. Gave them a big thumbs up while I was walking and they honked back.

[–] PaulSmackage@hexbear.net 22 points 11 months ago

The cousin of

[–] TheLepidopterists@hexbear.net 20 points 11 months ago

Hell yeah that rules

[–] aaaaaaadjsf@hexbear.net 30 points 11 months ago
[–] buckykat@hexbear.net 29 points 11 months ago

Most of the people whose hearts were bleeding for Ukraine either support Israel or think it's just too complicated, which is supporting Israel with extra steps

[–] What_Religion_R_They@hexbear.net 29 points 11 months ago

express ticket to get hate crimed especially if you're brown. Like that student that got shot and paralyzed

[–] Erika3sis@hexbear.net 27 points 11 months ago

Incidentally, on the train ride yesterday, passing through a little part of the Norwegian countryside, I saw a lone house flying the Palestinian flag. I cracked a little smile.

[–] Tachanka@hexbear.net 26 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

Because Ukraine is a neo-nazi comprador regime defending the imperial core and Palestine is an actual embattled and colonized nation. Imperial core propaganda inverts these relationships and pretends they are the opposite. In imperial core propaganda Ukraine is an embattled and colonized nation and Palestine is a neo-nazi comprador regime.

Also people ARE flying palestinian flags, but they are not shown on the news because that does not ally with imperial core propaganda.

[–] zed_proclaimer@hexbear.net 10 points 11 months ago

Good point that Zionists are trying to smear Palestine with descriptions that match the Ukrainian state exactly, and they Liberals like to pretend Ukraine is a smol bean Palestine

[–] CrimsonSage@hexbear.net 24 points 11 months ago

Honestly, because I am afraid of being harassed and losing my job.

[–] RyanGosling@hexbear.net 24 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (4 children)

Because while it’s good to fly them during a protest or everyday out and about, flying a Palestinian flag on your front porch will likely result in someone burning your house down or shooting at it.

It’s one thing to be attacked while you’re in a crowd of people or awake - you can defend yourself or have others help you or run etc. - but it’s another thing to be sleeping and waking up to your room in flames and collapsing

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[–] robinn_IV@hexbear.net 21 points 11 months ago

Same blue “we stand with Ukraine” house by me now has “we stand with Israel” stuff

[–] Egon@hexbear.net 21 points 11 months ago

It's nuanced, unlike the invasion of Ukraine which just had us supporting Nazis no issue

[–] Mokey@hexbear.net 20 points 11 months ago

I live in an area with a lot of pro israel jews, i dont know how im supposed to not be mad. They are bad people and before oct 7th i didnt really think much of them at all

[–] usernamesaredifficul@hexbear.net 20 points 11 months ago

basic sense of self preservation

[–] GarbageShoot@hexbear.net 19 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

There are still Ukrainian flags all over the place where I am, only a couple fewer.

People don't fly Palestinian flags because they don't want a brick in their window or to be branded an anti-semite. Ukrainian flags carried no such risk, Azov be damned.

[–] Cherufe@hexbear.net 17 points 11 months ago

Maybe where you live

Here you in Chile you cant get more than 100 people together without someone yelling Aguante Palestina

[–] nasezero@hexbear.net 13 points 11 months ago

I was wondering this, too, since I've seen my area have huge pro-Palestinian rallies. I have a flag up, but it's the only one I've seen anywhere in the city.

Then I saw this shit and now I get why people might be hesitant https://wgntv.com/news/chicago-news/logan-square-resident-faces-eviction-over-display-of-palestinian-flag/

[–] SpiderFarmer@hexbear.net 12 points 11 months ago

I'll wear a Palestine hat (and have gotten some wary looks by Boomers for it), but a flag does seem a good way to get it waaay worse, tbh.

[–] bubbalu@hexbear.net 12 points 11 months ago (4 children)

There's a lot of them around me. I see kids walking to school wearing flags as capes.

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[–] PaulSmackage@hexbear.net 11 points 11 months ago (1 children)

The only one i've seen recently was a cursed Palestinian-flag-over-top-a-Ukrainian-flag. Looked horrible and confused me for a second, especially since the flags weren't going the same direction.

[–] captcha@hexbear.net 12 points 11 months ago (5 children)

There's the a fair amount of people who actually support both Ukraine and Palestine. They're probably also constantly confused with how the world is moving.

[–] Raebxeh@hexbear.net 11 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

It’s not that complex. Pro-Ukrainian propaganda was significantly more successful than Pro-Israeli propaganda. Ukraine was a flash in the pan for many people, whereas the Palestinian genocide was broadcasted directly to the eyes of many people. Russia and Ukraine at least had the optics of a war with two armies fighting each other. Many people don’t see Hamas as Palestine’s standing army.

[–] PaulSmackage@hexbear.net 9 points 11 months ago

They'll figure it out once they stop confusing window cleaner for juice.

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[–] cannibalbanquet@hexbear.net 9 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

I live in a Ukranian neighborhood in Chicago and am too nervous to display a Palestine flag. Could easily see someone throwing rocks through my window, which is a risk I would be willing to take if I didn't love my cats so much.

[–] privatized_sun@hexbear.net 8 points 11 months ago

Capitalists support genociding indigenous people for finance imperialism

[–] ProfessorOwl_PhD@hexbear.net 6 points 11 months ago

I live in the UK: flying any flag from your home is extremely suspicious unless it's the world cup, and even then it marks you as a deeply unserious person.

I have seen a decent number of pro palestinian posters in people's windows though.

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