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In the time of Plato, only the most educated could read and write. So if you could do both, I think your odds of being remembered had almost as much to do with writing good quality as it did with being lucky enough for your writing to survive centuries.
As for us...it will happen but only very rarely.
That's such a good point I've never really thought about. π€ Actually kind of a trip to try and imagine a world where simply knowing how to read written text was akin to sorcery.
Hey, that makes you a sorcerer, just in the wrong century.
There are merchants records and other civil documents from 1,200 years before Plato. In fact the oldest known letter of complaint dates from 1,750BC.
So I disagree.
what's it that you disagree with?
The comment I replied to.
i know, but what specifically in that comment?
Iβm not sure how else to say it without repeating it.
I disagree that only the most educated people could read and write
I disagree that not many internet posts will be recorded for posterity
but we know that too few people used to be literate. I couldn't understand the need to disagree with this, i thought i misunderstood what you wrote.
Itβs actually a bit of an βurban mythβ it did apply in eg Victorian Times but at other points in history there was widespread literacy.
What you do find at some times is that an elite wrote and spoke one language but everyone else wrote another. Which was a way of controlling access to information. This is one reason that the Bible was in Latin and there was subterfuge needed to get the first Bible in English. (The pages were smuggled into the country)
can you give some sources?
i can't see how this supports your claim that literacy wasn't uncommon π€·
Thatβs not what you asked for. I gave an illustration of the Bible being needed in English (which most people read) rather than Latin. So I gave you a source.
so, now, do you have any sources for your claim about literacy not being uncommon?
Iβm beginning to think you might be trolling but Iβll give you the benefit of the doubt.
Some estimates put literacy in the ancient world as high as 40% excluding people who could read and write their name and basic words The decline in literacy after the Roman Empire is well documented and didnβt increase again until the Middle Ages. Buring and Van Zanden put the year 1451 as the point when it began to rise again.
If you want to see some discussion have a look here https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/threads/literacy-rates-of-the-ancient-and-medieval-world.340325/
this isn't a source, it's another discussion thread like this one (and even on that thread there is no consensus)
There was oral history too though.
Not if we donβt deal with climate change pronto, no.
I wish I could be alive when two archeologists attempt to decipher what "Two Girls One Cup" means.
"In the light of extreme climate change at the turn of the millennium, some humans have resorted to extreme forms of recycling..."
Meh, scatters gonna scat. I'm more interested in when space faring future people with vacuum toilets contemplate the origins of the poop knife.
I think people 500+ years from now will look back on us like we look back on people of the European Dark Ages.
The DarkGPT ages. All knowledge from this time must be questioned.
Most likely the only time this would happen is if someone is trying to make a point and they take a joke post as something serious.
Look upon the wisdom of their memes and shitposts!
I hope not.
You're already infamous to me. I swear I see your name under every post
No because I nuked my reddit comment history
First, let's consider that up until fairly recently in human society, writing has been the domain of the wealthy and not entirely accessible to everyone. The rich could write whatever they want or patronize those who could write what they wanted for them. The rarity - relative to the greatest developments of proliferation being chiefly the printing press and recently the internet - of written works, demanded that anything someone bothered to put into physical written form must have considerable innate value to someone. If they didn't, nobody would have bothered with the effort or expense.
I no longer have access to the reference for a citation and am having trouble digging it up, but I saw (probably on a blog about AI) some figures recently describing the amount of written "material" produced by humanity on a daily basis (or some other comically short time) in 2023 being comparable to the amount produced in the ~five thousand preceding years since the written word is thought to have been invented.
With as much "writing" being produced, most of it being spam or low-effort shitposting, the signal to noise ratio is unbelievably high. Regardless of the profundity of the thought being born and described, the chance of having anything written today - randomly on the internet - recognized for its quality is infinitesimally small.
I believe that there IS a fantastic amount of truly remarkable writing being done every day all over the internet. Nearly all of it will be retained on some form of media basically forever, even until the media is woefully obsolete / destroyed / the heat death of the universe. Most of it will never be set upon by human eyes again after this weekend.
Today, like hundreds of years ago, what rises to the surface does so due to commercial pressures. If you are awesome and impress a publisher with deep pockets, your words could be preserved in a form that will be read in 2434. Of course, it will have to continue to be impressive long after most of the books selected by Oprah's Book Club.
We peaked with the PhilosoRaptor meme imo
500 years from now someone will be doing a doctoral thesis on the cultural significance of goatse, tubgirl, meatspin, lemon party and Rick roll.
I would argue that the Cube Rule belongs in the same annals of history as any work by Plato and Aristotle.
One could only hope.
I bet it'll be
"In this moment, I am euphoric. Not because of any phony god's blessing. But because, I am enlightened by my intelligence."
Hit the lawyer, facebook up and delete the gym. Or something like that.
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dril's absurdism will be studied and praised