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[–] HakFoo@lemmy.sdf.org 55 points 11 months ago (3 children)

There's a case to be made for dueling what is essentially a post-scarcity socialist Federation against the embodiment of capitalism-as-cult.

Conversely, the Borg are in a way aspirational-- growing and assimilating knowledge and improvements seems a bit higher of a goal, but their presentation comes off ham-fisted.

I feel like there's a missing explanation of why "assimilating the diversity" of a civilization needs to be a total stripmine rather than taking a few (potentially willing) representatives and regularly coming back in case anything new evolved, like binge-watching a civilization every few years. The stripmining aspect seems necessary to make them recognizabily villianous-- the enemy of sacred individuality rather than just data hoarders whose homelabs turned into giant cubes.

It does feel like Latinum is very much a MacGuffin for undermining a huge amount of "we have virtually infinite free energy and can replicate anything we need" worldbuilding; they needed a way to make 24th century capitalism seem remotely plausible.

[–] 7of9@startrek.website 43 points 11 months ago (2 children)

The Borg became a metaphor for colonialism, I think, with assimilation being an "improvement" for it's victims.

[–] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 12 points 11 months ago

I never though of it that way. You are completely right.

[–] setsneedtofeed@lemmy.world 11 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

I almost feel like you’re describing the Trill or the Tokra regarding willing assimilation.

[–] Little_mouse@lemmy.ca 9 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

I've always assumed that the Borg were once a truly egalitarian faction. One that seeks out other points of view in order to invite them into a collective where every voice has a share in the overall direction of the whole.

I could see such a collective evolving into the current Star Trek Borg if things like fascism take root. A rabid xenophobia of thought that seeks to destroy any 'wrong-think' within the hive mind.

It would explain a lot of the problems that the Borg seem to have. Why they never seem to learn from their mistakes despite their adaptability, why they all share one mind despite their quest for distinctiveness, why they have a single load-bearing queen despite their usual priority of hyper redundancy in all things.

[–] BeardedSingleMalt@startrek.website 44 points 11 months ago (2 children)

It still gets me that the Ferengi were mostly unknown to the Federation, yet by the time of DS9 they're almost a widely known cornerstone of economics in the Alpha Quadrant.

[–] teft@startrek.website 39 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

Rule of Acquisition #45: Expand or die.

Rule of Acquisition #75: Home is where the heart is, but the stars are made of latinum.

Rule of Acquisition #9: Opportunity plus instinct equals profit.

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[–] TheGrandNagus@lemmy.world 18 points 11 months ago

This man has the lobes for business

[–] FauxPseudo@lemmy.world 26 points 11 months ago

Ferengi move pretty fast. Faster than light if in the right kind of ship.

[–] teft@startrek.website 40 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)
[–] I_Has_A_Hat@startrek.website 36 points 11 months ago (2 children)

They had no idea what they wanted to do with Ferengi in this episode. By the end, they are downright feral. Wearing furs and jumping around screaming like cavemen. After watching them in later episodes, this one just feels really weird to see.

[–] 7of9@startrek.website 25 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Every world has the equivalent of Trump supporters, I guess

[–] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 1 points 11 months ago
[–] inanna@lemm.ee -4 points 11 months ago (1 children)
[–] Honytawk@lemmy.zip 5 points 11 months ago

You can't say that over topics that are topical.

[–] hakunawazo@lemmy.world 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

As I remember they had some phaser whips as weapons.

[–] nova_ad_vitum@lemmy.ca 3 points 11 months ago (2 children)

I forgot that detail lol. Let's take energy weapon technology that can shoot in a perfectly straight line...and artificially limit its range and utility.

[–] Olgratin_Magmatoe@startrek.website 3 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

It might be a similar line of though as the Goa'uld weaponry from SG-1. They aren't meant for accuracy or range. They use weapons of terror that create an absolute massacre when they do by chance hit.

The Ferengi, and especially of that particular group were Ferengi pirates of some sort, probably wouldn't be above such tactics.

But also it was very clearly not a well thought out episode, so I'm absolutely applying meaning where there is none.

[–] hakunawazo@lemmy.world 1 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

If one Ferengi whip is a bad idea Ivan Vanko doubles it.

He also looks a bit like a grumpy Ferengi on bad hair day.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 30 points 11 months ago (2 children)

I wish their neat energy whip came back though.

[–] Odo@lemmy.world 32 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

It did in Lower Decks. Yet another reason to love that show.

[–] lolcatnip@reddthat.com 5 points 11 months ago

Being a semi-parody allows them to reference the most embarrassing bits of the canon with a protective layer of irony.

[–] someguy3@lemmy.world 6 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Whips were all the rage, see Indiana Jones.

[–] lolcatnip@reddthat.com 1 points 11 months ago
[–] fluxion@lemmy.world 18 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Hell of a twist if that was revealed after all the initial interactions. The ultimate grift to put the Federation off guard.

[–] FauxPseudo@lemmy.world 13 points 11 months ago

We don't talk about it with outsiders

[–] someguy3@lemmy.world 8 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

It's all in the writing, I guess. It'd be a kind of bungling, stumbling, weird encounter, random, campy, never know what they're going to do, villian.

*There were a decent villian in "Peak Performance" (the strategema episode). You just need that off species to be a counter.

[–] LesserAbe@lemmy.world 7 points 11 months ago

More like the ultimate friend