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sounds like this can only end with lobotomies to make their soliders feel nothing and question nothing

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[–] Philosoraptor@hexbear.net 70 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (8 children)

“We could find ourselves in a situation where our soldiers, as talented and trained as they are, are facing an unfair fight because another country is willing to say, ‘Hey, guess what, you, male, are a good aviator. You, female, are a good aviator. You’re gonna make the best aviator babies we’ve ever seen and I don’t care that you’re not married,” he said. The other panelists laughed nervously. “That’s a thing. Are they willing to go that extra step that we are not?”

We must not allow those filthy commies to force us into an aviation eugenics gap! strangelove

[–] BodyBySisyphus@hexbear.net 48 points 11 months ago

There needs to be a ban on non-biologists discussing anything related to evolution, genetics, or inheritance because it always ends up in the same dumbass place.

While we're at it, a ban on the military funding any research whatsoever.

[–] BurgerPunk@hexbear.net 37 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

because another country is willing to say

Projection. Always projection

projection astronaut-2 astronaut-1

[–] CrushKillDestroySwag@hexbear.net 30 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I wanna grab that person and yell into their ear.

spongebob-i-fucking-love NOBODY IS DOING THAT! NOBODY HAS EVER DONE THAT!

[–] D61@hexbear.net 24 points 11 months ago (1 children)

NOBODY IS DOING THAT! NOBODY HAS EVER DONE THAT!

Eugenicists: :Am_I_nothing_to_you:

[–] GalaxyBrain@hexbear.net 19 points 11 months ago (1 children)

So in 20 years you get someone who is I guess more likely to have genetically determined qualities that could help you in some military capacity but it's also far far far from guaranteed, would still take training and stuff and that's a lot for someone who's just gonna fly a plane over a place and drop bombs on it.

[–] Philosoraptor@hexbear.net 13 points 11 months ago

Yeah, the famously 100% heritable skill at operating a complex machine. Just a totally brainworms infested idea.

[–] BurgerPunk@hexbear.net 30 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

What happens when the eugenics baby turns out to be shinji-jokerfied and won't get in the fighter jet (that is obviously also his mother)

[–] GarbageShoot@hexbear.net 19 points 11 months ago (1 children)

They get so hung up on fucking when it is an incomparably more relevant question hypothetically whether some citizens are made to train from childhood.

[–] WayeeCool@hexbear.net 18 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

They are literally describing the 1998 film Solider. I swear these fkers saw that movie, have probably watched it 50 times and rather than thinking it's a cautionary tale about the US direction toward militarism instead took it as a guidebook.

Movie is worth a watch if you haven't seen it. Has the trainers raising the children like chattel. When one of the 10 year old kids can't keep up during a run, the trainer has him stop then puts him down like a lame race horse. The other children hearing the gunshot after they are out of sight is motivation or something. The main character has flashbacks to various campaigns he fought in and honestly they are battlefields the US military is already foaming at the mouth to start wars on. Scenes like slaughtering Chinese settlements on the moon and planting American flags kinda stuff.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soldier_(1998_American_film)

Don't bother with the squeal, it's trash like most from that era and the first movie was only okay not great. The sequel is all about the wholesome eugenics breading program soliders being morally better than the genetically engineered test tube baby soliders. American brained morality.

[–] CyborgMarx@hexbear.net 18 points 11 months ago

The point of course of making shit up about other people wanting to do that, is because he himself wants to do it

Maladjusted wasp freaks laundering eugenics thru pointed fingers is an age old tradition

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[–] windowlicker@hexbear.net 55 points 11 months ago (1 children)

they literally used a picture of master chief in some social media advertising for this panel. a man who was kidnapped as a child by a militaristic state to be made into a living killing machine stripped of all humanity he ever had. they're definitely not being subtle about it.

[–] ElChapoDeChapo@hexbear.net 29 points 11 months ago

That is basically the plan and they alreay have people with experience doing things like that epstein maxwell

[–] TrashGoblin@hexbear.net 44 points 11 months ago

In the 21st century, Earth's militaries will use drugs to control their soldiers.

[–] Feinsteins_Ghost@hexbear.net 38 points 11 months ago (1 children)

flooded with pain numbing stimulants

If i pull that off will you die?

[–] Mindfury@hexbear.net 23 points 11 months ago (1 children)
[–] Feinsteins_Ghost@hexbear.net 22 points 11 months ago
[–] FourteenEyes@hexbear.net 35 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Second annual Torment Nexus convention

[–] InevitableSwing@hexbear.net 25 points 11 months ago

It's been rebranded as the AI Torment Nexus convention.

[–] PKMKII@hexbear.net 35 points 11 months ago (5 children)

Isn’t this the back story for the Evil Empire’s army in every FPS game?

[–] BurgerPunk@hexbear.net 20 points 11 months ago

And most of those are made with DoD support thinky-felix

[–] ElChapoDeChapo@hexbear.net 16 points 11 months ago

Also several JRPGs

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[–] sourquincelog@hexbear.net 34 points 11 months ago

seen-this-one that was a really good episode of TNG

[–] LordBullingdon@hexbear.net 34 points 11 months ago

‘The soldier of the future will be "flooded with pain-numbing stimulants," cybernetically enhanced, and, one official sort-of joked, must be eventually "terminated."

There gonna give them meth and a neuralink and then let them kill themselves once they get discharged

[–] VapeNoir@hexbear.net 28 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I mean yeah this is scary, but this is also some neom ass shit

[–] ShimmeringKoi@hexbear.net 48 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

One of the bullet points is "able to regrow limbs and heal quickly like a lizard"

Which is something I would write as a 12 year old drawing cool space soldiers in class

[–] PointAndClique@hexbear.net 19 points 11 months ago

If you're in combat and your squadmate in front goes down you have to pick up their prosthetic nekomimi and tail, graft them to yourself and keep fighting

[–] ShimmeringKoi@hexbear.net 26 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

I updated my whatsapp too close to the barracks and now all my cybernetically linked super soldiers are perfectly and uncontrollably making the notification sounds with their mouths, please help

[–] LeZero@hexbear.net 23 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Homo Robocopus

farquaad-point

Lamest shit I've read this week

[–] Tankiedesantski@hexbear.net 22 points 11 months ago

Amar Astarte: "We have Space Marines at home."

The Space Marines at home:

[–] D61@hexbear.net 20 points 11 months ago (1 children)

soooo... special forces soldiers with bombs implanted in their heads?

[–] the_kid@hexbear.net 21 points 11 months ago

like Speed but instead of a 50mph bus, the super-soldier explodes if he doesn't kill a brown child within the hour

[–] Frogmanfromlake@hexbear.net 20 points 11 months ago

This is like that scene in Animatrix when the UN soldiers are shoving needles into their arms before going on a drug-fueled rage and still losing to the machines.

I can only use fiction to relate to this because that description sounds like some Elon Musk level bullshit.

[–] Tunnelvision@hexbear.net 20 points 11 months ago (1 children)

This is unironically something we should be encouraging. Just because they don’t feel pain and are unthinking killing machines does not make them invincible, in fact it makes them super vulnerable. Are you gonna make their bones out of titanium? gonna give them diamond skin? You’d pretty much have to. People in general are vulnerable, but the response to fear and pain are our two biggest tools to help us learn what is and is not dangerous. People who are genetically immune to pain from those rare diseases don’t usually make it to adulthood because they end up harming themselves and not realizing it’s a life threatening injury.

[–] ShimmeringKoi@hexbear.net 22 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

Yeah this is basically "Imagine a troop, but without the ability to know they're wounded or even notice when they've been poisoned"

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[–] 2Password2Remember@hexbear.net 19 points 11 months ago (1 children)

this is straight out of a black mirror episode

Death to America

[–] PaulSmackage@hexbear.net 16 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Wot if ur mum was a terminator

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[–] TraumaDumpling@hexbear.net 18 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (9 children)

this is just wild conjecture, but i think that wearable technology is going to be more feasible than anything implanted. AFAIK one of the main issues with implants, especially those that have to interface with nerves, tend to be treated by the immune system as invasive bodies, and scar tissue is formed blocking the neural connections, and AFAIK we haven't made any significant progress to overcome that.

more feasible than cyborgs, i think enhanced AR equipment and wearable tech like non-invasive brain activity reading equipment will be easier to develop and deploy in a realistic way. helmets with comms, air filtration/oxygen supply, AR visuals with aimpoint tracking and display, gun-cameras linked to helmets and goggles to fire without leaving cover, even indirect vision systems (instead of goggles, the helmet has external cameras linked to an interior feed) to protect from certain weapons and systems like eye-targeting laser weapons and flashbangs. 'smart bullets' that work kinda like JDAMs maybe, able to be guided to a specific GPS coordinate after being fired into the air (like with 'plunging fire' on traditional MGs but more accurate). infantry-portable drones and drone control systems and drone defenses (thermal camouflage, EW weapons, etc.). drug injectors sure, even implanted, they don't need to interface with nerves. thats the kind of stuff i would expect, not this robocop shit.

bonus content edit: oh yeah and i also expect exoskeletons, especially non-powered or passive exoskeletons for bearing weight, to be more of a thing relatively soon. and, as much as i want mechs to be real, we are probably a few generations of tech away from that kind of thing being a mature enough field and economical enough to deploy in place of traditional equipment, and even in the unlikely even they prove to be useful tactically they are probably not going to be as large as a gundam or mechwarrior battlemech or star wars AT-AT or anything, more like a robot ATV or jeep with legs and arms, maybe something approaching the size of an armored car at most. anything bigger will have too much trouble with ground pressure compared to a tank. in fact before legged mecha i bet we will see tanks and other traditional combat vehicles with exterior mounted robotic arms to help with reloading externally mounted weapons and other tasks, like tank or armored car centaurs. we already have indirect vision systems on tanks and cars, its a natural evolution to have indirect manipulators. even given the possibilities of ground combat drones with no human crew, i don't think it will be difficult to convince militaries to strap a budding young war criminal inside to take all of the legal blame if things go wrong (to protect weapon manufacturers from liability) and to guide or override the machine software in ambiguous situations (snow, dust, tactically or politically sensitive situations, contested electronic warfare environments, etc.), after all we still put teenagers in tanks, and an automated or at least semi-autonomous remote piloted tank seems relatively feasible with todays tech, i'm sure militaries would do it if it was viable tactically/politically/socially.

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[–] Awoo@hexbear.net 18 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (4 children)

If your goal is to not look like fascists and undeniably the baddies then pictures like this are not the way to go about it:

Seriously, if you want to provide complete and total moral justification to every single resistance movement in the world then this is the way to do it. Literally making yourself into a caricature of the science fiction baddies that are opposed and eventually defeated in every piece of science fiction ever.

The Pentagon is looking toward a future where the U.S. deploys “super soldiers” directly inspired by Captain America and Iron Man, officials said at a recent conference.

I think this is necessitated by the fact they have fewer and fewer and fewer people willing to do it. So what they want to do is get the same value out of fewer men.

The thing about super soldiers is also that they're just as likely to coup you as your average soldiers but you're making them significantly more capable of doing it.

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[–] Gosplan14_the_Third@hexbear.net 17 points 11 months ago

At long last, we have created the Torment Nexus from the classic Sci-Fi novel "Don't Create the Torment Nexus"

[–] SerLava@hexbear.net 17 points 11 months ago

"however, there are some real-world fears and ethical questions that need to be asked"

Yes, real conundrums like:

  • Who is doing this research?
  • Where are they?
  • How long will their prison sentences be?
[–] ScrewdriverFactoryFactoryProvider@hexbear.net 15 points 11 months ago (1 children)

This is literally the premise of a Robert Evans novel

[–] Spongebobsquarejuche@hexbear.net 11 points 11 months ago

Ahh yes Skullfucker Mike.

[–] LENINSGHOSTFACEKILLA@hexbear.net 15 points 11 months ago (1 children)

great idea. i mean, what could go wrong?

[–] GarfieldYaoi@hexbear.net 11 points 11 months ago

"What could possibly go wrong?" might as well be amerikkka's motto.

[–] RyanGosling@hexbear.net 13 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Microsoft recently delivered prototype goggles for the military that displays a HUD. The military said the kids who grew up playing video games will now become soldiers, and it’s important to train them in an environment they’re used to (maps, compass, friendly indicator, etc.)

Imagine instead of promotions, you get just a pop up in your HUD telling you that you received an air strike because you killed 5 guys

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