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I see cash as an absolute win
As someone who worked in shops for many years, cash is disgusting and should be burned!
Think about how digital movies and games are routinely locked and blocked. Do you want the government to be able to do that to all of your liquid cash?
I get your point, but if your government is already screwing up the economy - hoarding physical cash is no better. See African countries and India's 2016 cash crisis: massive queues at the bank for worthless paper.
It's not about hoarding cash. It's about privacy and surveillance. Cash is the only truly anonymous means of payment.
Still doesn't stop it being disgusting, on a busy day I used to have to wash my hands at least hourly.
Oh the horror! How do you make it through each day, you brave soul?! 🙄🙄🙄
Edit to add because I can feel some bullshit coming my way: I'm both autistic and have OCD, I can sympathise with a whole range of issues from not liking getting your hands wet to not wanting to touch dirty things and having to clean them obsessively after you do, but A. if you have those or similar issues, consider you're in the wrong line of work, but much more importantly B. those theoretical issues don't give you a pass to want an essential thing that provides millions of already marginalised people access to something they otherwise wouldn't have access to (making them even more marginalised, and vulnerable to financial abuse not having cash also enables) gone, because personal comfort.
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I used to work in manufacturing. One place used the Japanese standard of manufacturing with paper based progress gates and faxing copies to other sections. They also paid cash for any outside contracts. The whole system worked flawlessly. Those negatives are not as bad as they seem.
That’s incredible that business contracts are paid in cash. Did they just waltz in with a suitcase filled with cash and count everything together?
Pretty common in China too. I'd regularly make deposits and people would come in with cases of cash and deposit alongside the rest of us.
Sometimes they'd use the cash deposit ATMs, and the rest of us online would be like f****** okay just take 10 minutes there inserting stack after stack of cash. cool of you
Cash can also include checks and other negotiable instruments
Why is cash society a bad thing???
I'm not against cash, but being cash only would be a nightmare.
Cash is filthy, and it takes time to have to look through and work out (for all stakeholders). It costs money to secure it as well. It wears out over time and has to be minted.
Believe me, these are the least of Japan's problems.
What's wrong with paper filling or cash society?
Eh paper filing is meh imo. Cash is great though!!!
Paper filing is a nightmare. Imagine filling forms manually, stamping them over and over again for a simple contract that could have been e-signed.
Also on a higher level, digitization of records is a huge plus.
Cash society is better than a card one for homeless people
30 years ago, Japan was a glimpse into what life would be like in 20 years.
Now, Japan is a glimpse into what life was like 20 years ago.
Things here are ahead in some ways, but not in the (very publicly visible) ways they used to be. Robotics, particularly as relates to manufacturing and elder care, comes to mind.
How is robotics used in elder care there?
Good question! Japan (as, er, the business as much as the country, I guess), has a few things working here. A few are helping the elderly to regain their mobility with various things that are like frames (almost like mechs) that can support and lift a bit (not a ton (literal or figurative)), but enough that they can continue to move and work as they could. (This has benefits because a lot of people here run small businesses and farms, but also can have a bit of a dystopian slant). These are not really ready for primetime, but they sometimes hit the news here.
Another angle is machines to help take care of elders. These can include some degree of automation with delivering meals or using cameras on a bot to check in on people. This has the potential to also help the hikikomori and others with handicaps (deaf, for instance) that prevent them from "normally" doing the job, but allows them to do it remotely. There are also inroads to some replacements of care staff with bots beyond this, including helping human staff physically move patients (see also the above paragraphs), but this is also not in primetime yet.
There's a whole other tangent I could go into about importing a lot of nurses (mostly from the Philippines, which is common in a lot of developed countries,) and the discrimination they face even in light of having to take their tests in Japanese, but that's a whole other discussion in and of itself.
Deutsche: 
Also racism and misogyny.
Oh yea we hate cash society here. We all really want the corporations to know exactly what we use all our money for, it's great!
Excluding bullet trains, these are just bazinga-brained Disney world attractions. Could have put mixed use zoning on the front, and toxic grindset work culture on the back.
Do people outside Hexbear know what "bazinga brained" means? I kinda don't think they do.
I got what it meant the first time I heard it so I figured it was fine to use.
Probably not, but it's also shorthand for something everybody understands, even the bazinga-brained, so it's not hard to clarify
barzoople brain
If you're gonna put mixed zoning, put tearing down houses after 20 years on the other.
war crime denial
Unit 731 intensifies
Btw don’t look that up unless you got a stomach for actual torture, rape, murder, cruelty, and dehumanization of men, women, and kids.
dehumanization of men, women, and kids
Do you mean logs?
The cash thing is becoming way less true. The toilets are legit magic though.
They really still use floppy disks?
No, not publicly. The last manufacturer of diskettes in Japan (Sony, I believe) shut down production several years ago.
Conversely, there is still infrastructure In America that requires 5" floppies and Windows 3.11 installs or else some critical system will fail.
Society at large in both countries no longer uses them.
What kind of infrastructure is like that in the US? I worked in IT for one of the largest power companies in the country and the worst we had was win2000 in one location that was being decommissioned anyway.
Nuclear missile silos
First of all, they used 8" floppies, which were even older.
Second, they recently finally upgraded.
True, but considering the amount of data leaks recently, sometimes old tech is more secure.
Tbh I’d say they’re way less cash-based than believe to be. Obviously just my experience but most places take visa or Suica from Tokyo to Hiroshima to Kanazawa and everything in between.
But a lot of small Japanese business, particularly in food/drinks, do not. PayPay and such are making some inroads in that space, but I know bar owners here who got rid of it as it wasn't worth their take/fees.
People in the US still don't believe me that there are DVD rental stores everywhere in Japan. Although the wildest low tech thing I've seen though is one time I had to go to a rural post office out in Gifu prefecture and the workers there had honest to goodness abacuses instead of cash registers.
The use of hanko seals also kinda baffles me.
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