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Tradwife stereotypes are making male loneliness worse (www.salon.com)

submitted 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) by spaduf@slrpnk.net to c/mensliberation@lemmy.ca

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[–] TheAlbatross@lemmy.blahaj.zone 22 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

O! foolish male lifestyle influencers
Woe to your machinations and merch stores
It is I who yearns to be the homemaker

[–] fckreddit@lemmy.ml 15 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

I just want to be loved. I am not looking a submissive woman. I don’t have a list of requirements. Is that so hard for people playing these stupid politics to understand. If the lady don’t know how to cook, I will. I am looking for a relationship, not a servant or slave.

[+] Lusamommy@alien.top -6 points 11 months ago (3 children)

An interesting video on the topic, that directly argues against a lot of what the article says

https://youtu.be/vOgIOTenmrs?si=aLCd7f48edfDIUvc

[–] SkepticalButOpenMinded@lemmy.ca 15 points 11 months ago (1 children)

The video is not addressing the specific argument in the article. The main argument in the article is that the interest in tradwives is harming men’s ability to function in the real dating world. That seems plausible to me. There are probably not that many women who are into being tradwives so it’s an outrageous expectation to normalize.

The video doesn’t address that thesis at all. It’s making more of a libertarian argument: “tradwives aren’t hurting anyone so leave them alone.” But even if women should be allowed to be tradwives, that says nothing about whether men and other women are harmed by the promotion of these regressive gender norms. At one point, the video shows a ton of examples of men wishing violence on tradwife women, for e.g. not having dinner done on time. Somehow, this YouTuber still doesn’t see how promoting this view of a women’s place is harmful.

[–] DerisionConsulting@lemmy.ca 2 points 11 months ago (2 children)

I haven't really heard anything about her since gamergate, and the anti-SJW/feminist days in the 2010's. I have seen her pop up twice in a week, both times in places where anti-SJW beliefs would not be welcome.

Are her views/take fairly shallow and easily swayed, has she matured as a person and changed her politics, or is she just an online creator following where the trends are for views?

[–] Franzia@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I continue to wash Shoe despite a few frustrations. She's not easily swayed or stupid, but does have a uniquely liberal take on everything. That is to say, often telling people to be more permissive of right wing. She has matured, but its hardened her views into this weird, both sides, dogwhistle-y brand of opinions. And yet she continues to cover important topics, just... In a way that leaves more to be desired.

[–] No1RivenFucker@sh.itjust.works -2 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Why is it a problem that she's not just hostile towards the right? Is leftism an obligation in your eyes?

[–] Franzia@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I'm drawing a compromise with the argument that she makes content that dogwhistles right wing talking points.

Leftism isnt an obligation, no, but we are on solarpunk. And Shoe has been pushed to the left before. I find her drawing this liberal line is one if the most important aspects to her content.

[–] spaduf@slrpnk.net 1 points 11 months ago

Are her views/take fairly shallow and easily swayed, has she matured as a person and changed her politics, or is she just an online creator following where the trends are for views?

I don't think there's been any significant change in her content. Notable that the person posting the video was a fresh account and that was their first comment.

[–] spaduf@slrpnk.net 8 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (2 children)

ShoeOnHead primarily produces rightwing dogwhistle content. Her videos are generally not welcome here.

EDIT: More info for those curious: https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Shoe0nHead TLDR is that she's pretty explicitly an antifeminist and has been for as long as she's been in the public eye (since gamergate).

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