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[-] usernamesaredifficul@hexbear.net 77 points 10 months ago

damn it's almost like China have money and scientists and can work out how computer chips are made

[-] RyanGosling@hexbear.net 30 points 10 months ago

In fact, they have so much money that they can acquire American scientists because they either face discrimination or receive no funding from Americans

[-] came_apart_at_Kmart@hexbear.net 20 points 10 months ago

but every good hamburger-eating ameroid knows that innovation only happens when you are owned by venture capitalists leveraging vaporware to inflate speculative bubbles with hype and funnel all cash into IP lawyers to crush any threats to market share.

[-] krolden@lemmy.ml 3 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Is that why every smart phone is touchscreen only

[-] Teekeeus@hexbear.net 60 points 10 months ago

americans slowly discovering the very real limits of their power

[-] VILenin@hexbear.net 21 points 10 months ago

They really thought they were ordained by God to set up a technological force field forever ending progress in China

[-] Tachanka@hexbear.net 56 points 10 months ago
[-] CliffordBigRedDog@hexbear.net 5 points 10 months ago

the world is not ready for Mcmahon Jinping

[-] Tankiedesantski@hexbear.net 55 points 10 months ago

Extra funny detail is that Schneider was tweeting about US rules against American citizens not being allowed to work in the Chinese chip industry.

Whatever will China do without the contributions of the American chip-making Ubermensch (who, for some reason, have no high end chip foundries in America)?

[-] gaycomputeruser@hexbear.net 26 points 10 months ago

Not like a large amount of the technology is scientifically developed and the breakthroughs are well documented in research papers or anything.

[-] Tankiedesantski@hexbear.net 25 points 10 months ago

You see, scientific knowledge remains inert until it comes into contact with the C R E A T I V I T Y of the white man.

[-] LeZero@hexbear.net 15 points 10 months ago

The science putty gets shaped into form through the white man's brainpan

[-] PosadistInevitablity@hexbear.net 52 points 10 months ago

A child could have seen this coming.

Why are Americans so stupid???

[-] star_wraith@hexbear.net 37 points 10 months ago

Because white Americans think the universe bends towards having them come out on top of every circumstance. They never lose, and bad things don’t actually happen to them.

[-] SoyViking@hexbear.net 51 points 10 months ago

It turns out the core needs the periphery a lot more than the periphery needs the core.

[-] silent_water@hexbear.net 38 points 10 months ago

how do I buy their stuff. I want out of the cpu spyware

[-] moujikman@hexbear.net 7 points 10 months ago

The Secure Equipment Act of 2021 effectively prevents Americans from being able to use many (but not all) modern Chinese phones. While you may see them for sale on Amazon etc, you cannot activate them on any carrier.

[-] TrudeauCastroson@hexbear.net 5 points 10 months ago

You can't just buy a sim card and pop it into whatever?

[-] moujikman@hexbear.net 9 points 10 months ago

No, the IMEI number on the phone are explicitly blacklisted for not being FCC approved.

[-] CrushKillDestroySwag@hexbear.net 2 points 10 months ago

I saved a lot of money back in the day by buying a phone secondhand and getting my phone number through Google voice. I'm sure there are other similar services that can give you a VOIP phone number, you'll only have connection when there's wi-fi but if that's not a dealbreaker it's a route you can take.

[-] RyanGosling@hexbear.net 5 points 10 months ago

I believe some brands have official stores on Alibaba, but it’s hard to actually filter them. You’ll come across like 50 different resellers and there’s no moderation so sometimes they have “Huawei” in the name. It’s best to find a website from a free country and import it from them

[-] GrouchyGrouse@hexbear.net 32 points 10 months ago

Necessity is the mother of invention it seems.

[-] Zvyozdochka@hexbear.net 31 points 10 months ago
[-] barrbaric@hexbear.net 27 points 10 months ago

Okay yes we've had first protectionism but what about second protectionism?

[-] darkmode@hexbear.net 25 points 10 months ago
[-] frogbellyratbone_@hexbear.net 12 points 10 months ago

anyone have a Huawei phone? how do you like it?

i've got an old moto e6 that my mindless consumer self wants to replace but really doesn't need to

[-] 420stalin69@hexbear.net 12 points 10 months ago

Im getting a Huawei solely on the basis of reports that Israel couldn’t hack them to spy on Hamas

[-] xXthrowawayXx@hexbear.net 9 points 10 months ago

Do not rely on that. The reports are that Israel did not hack them, not that they could not. If you had a top shelf team of hardware and software backwards engineering experts who could make hay out of anything you throw at em would you go with the most popular devices in the world branded google, apple and Samsung or would you try and get the relatively unpopular outside of China huawei devices?

I’m not saying they’re not good phones, just that they’re not impossible to hack and managed to avoid it by being too small a target for anyone to do the work overcoming the differences between them and other android devices.

[-] 420stalin69@hexbear.net 3 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Yeah you’re very right but it’s something.

Not having google services and being made for a mostly Chinese market means we can, at the least, be assured they aren’t actively building backdoors like Google definitely would be.

To me it seems a rung below running a custom privacy rom. A Huawei phone with a custom privacy rom would be sweet.

[-] xXthrowawayXx@hexbear.net 5 points 10 months ago

Idk if that kind of thinking is helpful. The thing that sucks about security and privacy is that you have to figure out what your threat is and focus on that.

If you install a custom privacy rom on a huawei phone you might be obscuring yourself from state actors looking to gain access to westerners devices but you’re dropping yourself into the huge pool of targets for state actors (and nons !) trying to gain access to Chinese nationals devices. You’ve also made yourself really easy to clock too, since your imei says what your device is right there in the number and how many motherfuckers are strolling around Arizona with a phone you can’t buy in America in their pocket?

The other question to ask is which backdoors you want to have on your device? The obvious answer is none, no backdoors, but that’s not an option. If you are more comfortable with backdoors controlled by Chinese state owned companies as opposed to google then consider what that might mean as tension between the country you live in and China ratchet up.

Especially with the proliferation of tools for analyzing huge amounts of surveillance data, standing out because of your unique signature or if you for really real can disappear in the data field are both bad! It’s better to look like the grillman than the shadow of the hackerman.

Not trying to make a point, just rambling. Maybe make sure your Adsense profile is believably populated.

[-] 420stalin69@hexbear.net 2 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Yeah that’s the thing, I am more comfortable with Chinese backdoors.

Not in the sense of being a pro-Xi Tankie, which I basically am, but more in the sense that I don’t live in China or have any significant dealings with China. I don’t care if China spies on me.

In a world where I have to choose between Uncle Sam or Uncle Xi reading my emails, well, what’s uncle Xi gonna do to me?

To be fair I’m not that radical and Uncle Sam would find me at most list-worthy and probably not even that because I’m not that interesting but I am even less interesting to Xi, so given that choice I’d rather he’s got the keys you know what I mean?

Thank you for the write up though, upon reading my comment I wonder if I come across as argumentative and I want to stress that’s not my attitude, I appreciate your points a lot. You make good points especially about needing to blend in. I really do appreciate the effort post.

[-] xXthrowawayXx@hexbear.net 3 points 10 months ago

Nah you don’t sound argumentative, I probably sound argumentative.

It’s just crazy hearing people say “x is better for security”. Who’s security, what kind, under what circumstances, when and where?

Our approach to information security is very matrix when it needs to be more French connection.

[-] IzyaKatzmann@hexbear.net 6 points 10 months ago

I have a newer Xiaomi, wish I got the P60 Pro but it was too expensive...

[-] ThomasMuentzner@hexbear.net 4 points 10 months ago

i have a huawei "honor" i dont give a fuck for handy stats so i can not tell you much about that (works like every other) the one difference i noticed is that you can not use "whats app - desktop application".. with it.

which i find great , as it smells like a annoyed Mark Zuckerberg.

[-] mtchristo@lemm.ee 8 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

They still can't sell their phones outside of China. Cause they don't have access to google play services.

Otherwise its still a considerable achievement as those chips can be sold to other Chinese phone manufacturers

[-] Awoo@hexbear.net 25 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

I'm sorry why do you think this?

Xiaomi has 11% of globalk market share up from 4% in 2018? Apple has 33% global share for reference.

Oppo, Vivo and Huawei share another 14% between them. Bringing China's market share in the global phone market up to 25%.

People don't give a shit about whether it has Google Play or not. It has an appstore with content on it, they're fine with it as long as they have access to other apps that do what they want.

[-] sysgen@hexbear.net 9 points 10 months ago

Xiaomi, Oppo, and Vivo phones have Google Play outside of China.

[-] CyborgMarx@hexbear.net 14 points 10 months ago

lmao there are literally Huawei phones for sale in my country, what are you talking about?

[-] oregoncom@hexbear.net 13 points 10 months ago

no google spyware.

That's a positive not a downside.

[-] Frogmanfromlake@hexbear.net 12 points 10 months ago

They're pretty popular over here, second biggest brand behind Samsung

[-] Gosplan14_the_Third@hexbear.net 7 points 10 months ago

They are still sold in Germany, however the OS is a clone of Android without any Google services. From my observing at the... electronics store phone display, you can download these apps pretty easily from the inbuilt app store.

[-] CloutAtlas@hexbear.net 6 points 10 months ago

As far as I know they're quite popular in Palestine.

[-] zeze@lemm.ee 4 points 10 months ago
[-] carl_marks_1312@hexbear.net 36 points 10 months ago

No one disputes that TSMIC is the leading sc foundry. Its the reason why the US is interested in Taiwan after all.

SMIC is able to produce 7nm despite the US applied pressure on ASML a few years ahead of predictions

[-] Awoo@hexbear.net 14 points 10 months ago

5nm next year.

[-] MayoPete@hexbear.net 11 points 10 months ago

Damn, almost like every international conflict boils down to someone getting filthy rich off some means of production in the area?

[-] oregoncom@hexbear.net 3 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

The T in TSMC stands for Tamerican. Also geez I wonder where all their engineers are going.

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