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[–] jordanlund@lemmy.world 57 points 1 year ago (2 children)

That seems really low to me for a global number, especially given how trans people are criminalized and villified in so many countries.

[–] ada@lemmy.blahaj.zone 19 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The villification is why the reported numbers are so low.

So many of us are robbed of our identity in death.

[–] jordanlund@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

That's a good point, thanks to deadnaming, this number could be VASTLY under-reported.

[–] ada@lemmy.blahaj.zone 12 points 1 year ago (1 children)

And even when they get it right, if they don't explicitly have something to flag the person as trans, then the data doesn't get accounted for in crime statistics.

And speaking as a trans person, the last people I want to know that I'm transgender are the police, so even self under-reporting could be a factor

[–] Hyperreality@kbin.social 3 points 1 year ago

I wish it wasn't true, but I think you're very smart to be cautious of the police.

Stay safe out there.

[–] pbanj@lemmy.ml 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Ya, my first thought was "wow i thought it would be much higher". Glad it's not though.

[–] jordanlund@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

That's what I was thinking... "Man, even for the US that seems low... wait, GLOBALLY?"

[–] Hyperreality@kbin.social 11 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Doubt most murders of trans people are registered as such, especially in countries which don't accept that trans people exist. The article implies as much:

The report explained that the majority of murder cases (235 cases) were reported in Latin America and the Caribbean, partly due to the “existence of established monitoring systems in these regions”, while Armenia, Belgium and Slovakia reported trans murders for the first time. ... TGEU explained that the horrific stats are only part of the full picture, with some trans people not identified as trans or gender diverse in reports of their deaths, leaving many potential additional cases unreported.

Honestly wouldn't surprise me. They don't even care enough to record the numbers murdered.

As plenty of these are also sex workers, plenty of places the police gives less than zero shits. Even ordinary sex workers avoid the police like the plague. So much so that people will avoid talking to the police at all or coming forward in even the most serious cases, out of fear of being raped, robbed, deported or worse.

IRC Gary Ridgway, who likely murdered over a hundred women, testified he targeted sex workers because he knew it'd allow him to get away with it. Which he did for two decades. You'll also occasionally hear of cases where seemingly an entire precinct systematically raped sex workers, apparently thinking it was something they were entitled to along with free coffee and donuts.

[–] JohnDClay@sh.itjust.works 28 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I wonder how much higher that rate is than the national average when accounting for demographics.

[–] luthis@lemmy.nz 16 points 1 year ago (4 children)

That was my first thought too but the total is globally, so it seems like quite a small number even when considering trans people account for ~1.4% of the world population which would be about 113,036,000 people.

Man that's fucked up.

"Good news! Proportionally, less trans people were murdered!"

[–] Buffalox@lemmy.world 15 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] Telodzrum@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

It's the higher bound for estimates at a population level. It makes sense to use the upper bound for a comparison like this.

[–] JohnDClay@sh.itjust.works 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

That's why I said accounting for demographics. There are proportionaly more trans people in richer countries where murders are also lower. But I don't know how one would do that full demographic comparison.

[–] ada@lemmy.blahaj.zone 11 points 1 year ago (2 children)

There are proportionaly more trans people in richer countries

There are proportionally more openly identified trans people in richer countries

[–] interceder270@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

I think more people have the capacity to realize they're trans in wealthy nations.

Kind of hard to reach self-actualization when your other needs aren't met.

[–] afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago

Thailand being a notable exception.

[–] flashpanda@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

So if you dig into the actual data, they point out that this is probably far from the actual number of murders, since it is only reported, and not all jurisdictions participate. One concerning thing though that I saw was that 94% of all the reported murders were of trans women.

[–] luthis@lemmy.nz 0 points 1 year ago

And almost half were sex workers. I would bet that the real number is much greater, considering the numerous countries that wouldn't be recording the person as being trans. Due to the stigma associated, I'm guessing that it's more likely sex workers will be designated as 'trans' rather than general population, due to the conservative nature of many countries.

[–] afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

113,036,000 people would be a respectable size for an entire country. That would be an interesting country to live in.

[–] luthis@lemmy.nz 1 points 1 year ago

Idk why the downvotes ?

[–] otp@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 year ago

They're definitely a small part of the population, and rates are always more informative than raw numbers.

That said, we know that people are targetted for violence simply for being trans.

[–] Rosco@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

A rise in racism? Transphobia isn't racism, right? It's equally as short-sighted and fucking stupid, but it's not the same.

[–] Hyperreality@kbin.social 6 points 1 year ago

The article mentions that 80% of those murdered were also affected by racism. In Europe almost half of those murdered were refugees or immigrants.

They're a racial minority or migrant. That increases their risk.

They're trans. That increases their risk even further.

They're also often sex workers. That increases their risk even further.

Basically super vulnerable and marginalised minorities, who often can't turn to the police for help.

[–] Bye@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

Isn’t that a lower rate than cis people?

Like worldwide, even if only 0.1% of people are trans (an intentional underestimate for conservative numbers) that’s a murder rate of 4.3 per 100k people. The worldwide average is 7.5.

[–] interceder270@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I keep saying this: marginalized and discriminated people are the best ones to own firearms.

Don't trust a society that hates you to protect you.

[–] PoliticalAgitator@lemm.ee 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Then why isn't America the safest country in the world?

You're not repeating some deep wisdom to enlighten poor oppressed idiots who just don't know how cool guns are, you're repeating marketing slogans for a gun lobby who worked out they can sell hero fantasies to leftists too.