That’s just insane that the far right took a hit after polls showing them growing in popularity
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It's insane that a country which suffered so much under a fascist dictatorship would want to return fascists to power.
As soon as people who remember it start dying off, the fascist apologists start coming out.
It’s like how anti-vax can grow because nobody in the young generations met anyone with polio.
Also I think that nostalgia works in a way where we remember more good times than hardships; humans are good adapting to any bullshit situation to the point we can call it comfortable and finally we look kindly to the past because old people remember mostly being young and healthy above all (despite not making this link mentally).
That's why everyone has this nostalgia for their youth, not because the 60s or 80s where a good time.
"wasn't the world so much better back before we ruined everything for everyone? Why can't we go back to those times?"
Sure, like how white conservatives in the USA want life to be like the 1950s
conservatives in the states want to return to 1850
DeSantis is already pushing propaganda in Florida schools about how much better black people had it as slaves. I'd be shocked if they didn't try to repeal the 13th amendment by the end of the decade.
Imagine if Hitler had won. That's what happened in Spain. Francisco Franco governed for 40 years, till he was too old and sick to keep doing so. He never faced any consequences and died of old age.
During all those years he indoctrinated the new generations and set a precedent, culturally. So even though more than a hundred thousand people suffered and died under his dictatorship, he still has a lot of supporters that are very vocal about it and his influence still permeates spanish society nowadays. You could look up "franquismo cultural" if you're interested.
Don't forget the right wing media and almost all politicians of the PP are members of the OPUS, as say, spokesmen of the catholic church.
Making short-sighted decisions to obtain results quickly is just human nature.
Fascists, populists and demagogues exploit this flaw in human nature to rise up. They promise big things using big words to masses of people who are uneducated, jaded, or both.
Some people in Spain, like in many other countries right now (USA, Greece, Italy...) are turning to fascism because they feel squeezed dry and let down (unemployment, Covid economic hangover, inflation, etc.) by their current governments, so they run to the people sat in the opposite (or most extreme) end of the political spectrum hoping they can turn things around.
With such a simplistic, binary mindset, coupled with a younger generation of voters who have not experienced what it's like to live in a fascist country, it's no wonder fascism and belligerent nationalism are gaining traction in the West. I just hope we can turn things around before more European countries follow on Hungary's steps.
It's not primarily the younger voters going fash though. Otherwise I mostly agree with your comment.
The younger voters are indeed pushing fascism, at least in Spain. I had also assumed ultraconservative, nationalist movements would be more popular with the older demographic in Spain but, proving my point that it's those who didn't experience Franco's dictatorship who are buying into the far-right ideals, Vox voters are on average 8 years younger than voters of other parties in the country (apologies for the link to Spanish media).
I don't know if this is any different in other countries but in Spain the people swallowing the fascist pill are very much your archetypical white, privileged, young male.
I am not familiar with the demographics of other countries, but in Spain, Vox is quite popular amongst the young people. Old people tend to be very loyal to "their" party and keep voting PP, even though they agree with Vox's main talking points.
Which is ironic, because the rights those people have, like unemployment, WILL go away if the far-right wins, and they'll be worse off.
You are mixing far-right with liberals (less regulation). In Spain there aren't liberal partys. You can check the group they belong in the EU parlament.
If you want to understand why an opposing force gains ground look at what the force in power is doing.
Are there enough centrists who were elected to inevitably collaborate with the fascists to create a majority?
Thankfully, enough parties have pledged not to coalition with the far right that it looks like they'll be boxed out of power. Most likely outcome seems to be Sanchez's center-left party allying with further-left parties and regional / secessionist parties to form a minority government.
Things could still fuck up during coalition negotiations, but for now I'm cautiously optimistic. Probably the best possible outcome, given the circumstances.
(Also the far right party lost half its seats in Parliament, lmaoooooooo)
Not so much, these are only had changed to the PP, almost the same crap. 20 less in one side and 20 more on the other. Luckily they have not achieved an absolute majority, this would have catapulted us to the 70s.
Enlightened centrist moment™
Enlightened centrist: What is my purpose?
Rick: You collaborate with the fascists.
Enlightened centrist: Oh my god
Okay, so Italy, Spain, Finnland, UK and what other European countries are electing fascists? It almost seems like there's a connection here.
Wait for the next election in Germany, our local fascists are currently polling at 20%
Is the other party that has more chance of winning a "moderate" fascist flavour?
You mean the equivalent to Spain's PP, the CDU? They're "conservatives" (whatever that's supposed to mean nowadays), but they've just announced, that they will cooperate with the Nazis on a "local level" (for now). History is a broken record.
I meant the German one, but I assume they must be more or less the same.
Thank goodness. But now what? I wonder if we'll have another election by the end of the year.
Hoping for the undoubtedly difficult negotiations to yield a left government instead.
but franco said we were hunting liberals /s
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