Problem with the third world is, anybody who can make their society any better chooses not to and instead try to move to western countries and do engineering jobs there.
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We could fix this problem by simply paying third world workers the same as first world workers so they have no economic incentive to leave their homeland... oh wait, that would require putting an end to imperialism and neo-colonialism. I wonder why that isn't happening?
And to capitalism itself, as The difference in organic composition of capital between imperial core And periphery make surplus value Flow from The latter to The former (and in turn incentive the dependent, peripheral bourgeoisies tô over exploit their working class)
Low-key I do wonder if work from home stuff would result in this in the end. It's definitely a contradiction at least
Imperialism keeps the periphery underdeveloped and overexploited through various methods so that the wage disparity can continue regardless of the material conditions in the imperial core. For example, if a nation in the periphery were to build their own factories and begin to outproduce the imperial core... they would get bombed... and regime changed... and comprador puppets would be put into power... and those puppets would take out IMF loans... with prerequisite privatization and anti-union measure... and then the core would do direct foreign investment so that the natural resources and infrastructure would be owned by them instead of the locals. That's an extreme example. It doesn't always happen exactly that way, but if enough of those boxes get checked, the imperial core can force wages down in the periphery, and continue to use them as a source of cheap labor.
I don't know if mass adoption of Work From Home would be enough to reverse that. The 1st world has their thumb on the scale big time.
There was one really good reply to that comment
Anyone who tries to make it any better is typically labeled an enemy by the west.
These places are treated like resource extraction sites for the "first world". If they try to nationalize the literal or figurative gold mines, bam coup'd. They're called a dictator, a commie, a rogue state.
Your take right here really shows how ingrained racism can be. Its always an individual responsibility problem, never a systemic problem. It's not OPs fault for wanting to live outside of a warzone. It sounds like she's already literally a refugee and your first response is "stay there".
Engineering majors need more humanities courses.
From the makers of
individuals acting in their own individual best interests within a market creates the best outcome for society as a whole
and
landlords are good because renting allows renters flexibility to move to where they can receive a greater income without being tied down by home ownership
prepare yourself for the all new big brain logic of
your country is poor because people keep acting in their own best interests by moving to where they can receive a greater income
Start playing a very niche sport and get competitive. Racket ball, pole vaulting, sailing, golf, fencing, squash, crew, waterpolo, and lacrosse. Even unofficial sports can help you at some schools pickle ball, rugby, etc. Unfortunately many are very expensive but you may be able to get into the US on a D2 scholarship.
Because the only way a Black student can succeed is by playing sports?
JUST become a high level competitor in a sport! It's not that hard!
-The most out of shape man you've ever met
"Hey young refugee child running themselves ragged to become an engineer! how about you try out a sport!"
I'm not shocked that someone posting on an engineering subreddit knows nothing about sports, but lmao if you think pole vaulting or golf aren't extremely competitive.
Why do I subject myself to the torture by visiting this wretched hive? First comment I saw "We hired black female EE's before, but never when they showed signs of an energy-eating crybaby." I normally have a lot of empathy for people but if I learned this commenter had terminal ball cancer I would chuckle
edit: The next comment below that was a bit better:
"Two of my professors were Nigerian-American women with PhDs in EE. You can do it! Don't give up and make sure to ask for help from every resource possible it doesn't make you weak. The west is far more open to you than the doomers on the internet may want you to believe. If I can help you in any way with educational advice please let me know. My university is in a low cost of living area and has scholarships for women in engineering. "
But yeah, there is something about some of the people that are drawn to engineering that seems to prevent them from developing humanity
The post def had some supportive stuff in it but I was disgusted by the outpouring of anti-support.
These folks will say this kind of thing then be confused when they learn intellectuals were rounded up during the cultural revolution. It was basically these guys on the chopping block.
These folks will say this kind of thing then be confused when they learn intellectuals were rounded up during the cultural revolution.
Funny thing is people look back at the cultural revolution and get a little squeamish... but it produced results that returned dividends over the long run. Sending a few million of these assholes on state mandated work tours of impoverished regions and neglected rural areas was able to salvage those of them capable of being humbled and learning some basic humanity. The ones who irredeemable tend to run or fight rather than learning how the other classes live and how to be a decent human being. The current president of China and his own father are an example, they were what the US cold warriors would hold up as heroic political exhiles or dissidents unfairly treated... that is they would have, if they hadn't come out the other side redder than red.
While the liberals that come out of the humanities can be insufferable, the liberals (and chuds) that come out of engineering are full on 
.
I remember hearing engineering students complain about having too many humanities courses. It couldn't have been more than like 5 courses over the whole degree. Some of them were ECON.
Help! Help! I have to read a book! 1984! Orwell!
Engineering majors need like 4 years of pure humanities classes to fix what's wrong in their mind
PMC have no soul, that's kinda their whole thing! 
What does PMC mean in this context? Only thing that comes to mind is Private Military Complex.
Professional Managerial Class
also known as lanyards, labour aristocracy (occasionally), guard dogs of capital, those bastards, etc
Thanks comrade 
Annoying part is turning them has been a key factor in most successful revolutions, if only because they are a highly educated demographic in a unique position to know how the system actually works better than the politicians, nobility, and capitalists they serve. Unlike the rabid petite bourgeoisie, the professional managerial class is a tool. Ironically once they accept a new paradigm, most get back to work because professionally being a highly educated tool is their thing whether it be for capitalists or communists.
Yeah they're tools all right
Professional-Managerial Class The layers of "buffer" class between the actual bourgeoisie and proles at the bottom. Their jobs being dependent on their performance in placating the proles and keeping them in line, makes them throw their lot in with the bourgeoisie more often than not.
They also serve an ideological apologetics role in giving the meritocracy veneer to capitalism. The illusion that the political economy isn’t about capitalists extracting surplus value but rather ensuring “the most qualified people” are running things.
Appreciate the quality info 
What is wrong with you and your life that you need to be actively mean to someone doing a sincere post about how hard they have to work?
If you’re in America, and have residency you can look into enlisting in the military as well to gain your citizenship.
Forcing engineering grads to design and build the 
that they get thrown into.
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Anyone who believes their high and mighty "nonpolitical" STEM authority makes them above politics actually has horrid political views. 
Top two replies are about cultural assimilation and joining the military.
Fuck that I'm never leaving South Africa.
Classic 
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Fuck “humanities.” Pieces of shits are forcing me to pay $1.5K per class and all they do is fucking make me read chapters in a book or articles and post my thoughts on a board then reply to some asshole with “Your thoughts on the universal gene is very interesting. I never thought of that!” Fuck off.
If you’re gonna send my tuition money to make bombs to kill children overseas, at the very fucking least give me skills to destroy you. These discussion-based “classes” were free when I was in middle and high school, and the quality of posts remain the same because no one cares - not even the people in the damn major. I don’t even know who any of my classmates are because I just skim through their shit, reply, get 100%, and move on. What about humanity is being taught here other than dredging through bullshit while being nice to others? Waste of time and money.
Now, if your humanities are in something actually fulfilling and have some kind of resemblance of a class - such as painting, drawing, photography, music - yes, definitely take those. Though music and art tend to gatekeep students because they expect you to have experience prior to applying. Engineering students tend to be notorious for neglecting creativity for MUH OBJECTIVITY!!!
I took some classes on the middle east and religion for my elective humanities class. In one of them i sat next to a guy who openly wanted to go work for the CIA.
Unlucky for him my professor was good and pissed him off with regularity.
For those classes, they were mostly a combined lecture/discussion, we'd take notes, read a book, write papers, and discuss some more and it was quite fulfilling. I'm sorry you are taking classes during the age of the discussion board. I had to do those once or twice but it was more rare a few years ago.
I know humanities classes can be good, so I'm for them. I had a great sociology class freshman year with an awesome professor who spoke about civil rights to his mostly engineer major class and would argue with em regularly. All my non-major humanities classes were really enlightening and had really passionate professors. I had another in American religion taught by some minister who didn't hold any punches, and an environmental science class taught by a woman who lived off of "wait, what??" moments in her students.