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They could certainly do better, but they do quite a bit yeah.

For real, as an American I'm super grateful.

How is “water proof” defined in the legislation? Apple carefully says their devices are water resistant. There is a possibility that it will not qualify.

It's not just Apple. Almost all manufacturers offer water resistant flagship phones (and mid-rangers). ASUS, Xiaomi, Oppo, Huawei, Sony, Samsung, Vivo, Honor...

However, the phones are NOT water-proof. From none of these (neither Apple). They are water-resistant, which is a big difference and they are just required to not be damaged if submerged underwater for 30 minutes, 1.5m, if they want IP68.

Phones and smartwatches are not resistant to condensation or water getting in – water can still get in, as they're NOT impervious (smartwatches if they have speakers), which is actually required for calling your device truly "water proof". Water resistant is literally two steps below that.

There has been some marketing claiming water proof devices. This was just wrong.

Yes, for sure. My last phone lasted two months shy of 6 years, and was replaced because of a touch issue (a little strip across the screen no longer acted on touch, which made typing and other stuff completely impossible), and was only "fine" in regards to battery because it was a huge one to begin with (+4Ah for a 5" screen). The battery was definitely way worse than original, but still on par with some new phones today lol

i believe the law is more about easily being able to replace a battery for repair than being able to swap it on the go

Yeah. And battery issues are one of the biggest sources of new phone purchases. This is going to help reduce e-waste for sure.

We can relive having your phone explode into three separate pieces when you drop it! Seriously though, this is good news in my opinion.

They sure will fight it. The main counter-argument I see is water proofing, but I believe I've seen a phone with good proofing but still accessible. Don't remember the brand and model though.

There will be a lot to figure out. The new designs provide features that the old ones couldn't- and there are very few people who would prioritize a replaceable battery over other features.

It’s the first time I hear about Fairphone. How they embrace repairability is amazing. I hope they’ll expand to North America at one point.

My last two phones both got slow as their batteries got bad, and were basically like new after replacing them. My current phone doesn't allow swapping the batteries.

For someone thrifty, being able to replace the battery can extend a phone's life 2x or more. Even if you don't want to keep using it, you could still resell it or give it to someone who doesn't need the newest phones. Non-swappable batteries are a form of planned obsolescence, in addition to just being more compact and probably a little cheaper.

I've had my current phone for around 5 years. I'm on the latest LineageOS. I have no speed issues. The battery is starting to show signs of age. My previous phone had a longer life and got through two batteries. It was up to date with LineageOS until it's last days. It was lack of RAM that did it in. My current phone still has mid level amount of RAM.

EU needs to look at updatablity next. If the vendors no longer provides real updates, they should unlock the bootloader. Really I want phones to like PCs and not require a custom OS each....

I imagine they can still use screws and the connectors like they do. The screws just need to be some place you can get to without having to use a heat gun to remove your entire damn screen.

That's pretty much how it used to work.

The main reasons why it changed are:

• Space, as a connector is slightly bigger than a soldered connection, and the battery itself has to be slightly bigger and stronger too to be safe to transport and handle without being protected by the phone's case.

• Water resistance; it's far easier to make a phone's case waterproof by just glueing the whole thing shut than having to use seals and gaskets and such to make it possible to open and close it at will.

LG had some phones like that in 2016ish, on the G5 the entire bottom of the phone slid out to reveal a big battery slot and on the V20 there was a button that let the metal back of the phone pop off so you could change the battery. I had an external battery charger and a couple of spare batteries for my V20, so I could just pack spare batteries and swap them whenever it got low. I never even bothered to plug my phone in, it was always just faster to pop in a battery that was already fully charged. It didn't have any water resistance, but it was a pretty small price to pay for endless battery life

It's a shame that LG's whole phone division went under, because they were making some of the coolest phones that came out that whole decade

Naturally. Just a shame it isn't a bit earlier :P

Exactly! It bums me so much that the vast majority of the money you spent buying the device and of the money spent making the device is completely thrown out because you can't replace a little component that was perfectly replaceable 10 years ago.... 🙄

Louis Rossmann did a video on this and pointed out that there were phones that had IP67 (Samsung Galaxy S5) or even IP68 (some Sony phone) rating with user replaceable batteries. So yeah, they should be.

I don't see why they wouldn't be.

It wasn't all that long ago that we had waterproof phones, with similar ratings as current phones, whilst also having a replaceable battery.

The Samsung Galaxy S5 had an IP67 rating, for example, despite having a headphone jack, and a replaceable battery/removable back. (it also featured wireless charging, which was surprisingly forward for the time).