Unverifiable, vague claims of CSAM is what Reddit admins would do to justify abruptly closing subs they didn't like but weren't otherwise breaking any rules.
this post was submitted on 02 Nov 2023
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Since I'm an anime fan and this is not the first time I hear the Lemmy devs are not the coolest people I kinda lean onto believing their side of the story:
Typical
A while ago something similar happened on Blahaj, where they defederated from lemmynsfw claiming it contained CSAM as well, because of... /c/adorableporn, which has nothing to do with anything under 18.
I wish there was more backlash for idiotic defederations
Also perhaps a way to have a 'default instance blocklist' as a defederation-light feature so users don't have to create dozens of accounts until they find a host that doesn't end up randomly defederating from the usual suspects like lemmynsfw and lemmygrad. They could just join any of them and find the issue in their account settings if they wish for an unfiltered lemmy experience.
I'd agree with you on the default instance blocklist, unfortunately you'd have to get that past the lemmy devs and I don't see that happening before the heat death of the universe.
Welp, guess I'll keep consolidating communities to ani.social, .ml is clearly a dangerous place for us weebs to be.
reddthat.com has also been cool, and though I regret setting up !fitmoe@lemmy.world and !murdermoe@lemmy.world on .world now that ani.social exists, I've had no trouble there. The admins were perfectly willing to help me sort it out when I got fitmoe into an "unowned" state due to a bug back in version 17.
I'm not sure the admins of .ml would have bothered based on what I'm seeing of their behaviour.
Luckily the subcounts from .ml are fairly low, the breakdown for the communities I started is as follows:
- !cybermoe@ani.social 17 out of 355
- !fangmoe@ani.social 6 out of 218
- !midriffmoe@ani.social 10 out of 331
- !streetmoe@ani.social 6 out of 210
- !kemonomoe@ani.social 5 out of 265
Even the largest community on ani.social, !animemes@ani.social only loses 7 subs from .ml. Still, with how little support there is for anime content on .ml, it's scary to have communities like !anime@lemmy.ml(8.6k) and !animemes@lemmy.ml(2.7k) call it home. It's difficult to check how many of the users subbed to these are actually ON .ml, tho. You'd have to add up the subcounts on all other instances with users that sub to them.
You state that you regret setting up a few communities in lemmy.world, but only state trouble with lemmy.ml. Did you have any trouble on lemmy.world, regarding anime communities?
Just the technical issues of .world, and I'd have preferred keeping my communities in one place.
I'm good with their stated policies, and my interactions with the .world admin have been good, too.
This kind of stuff is what makes the fediverse kinda annoying sometimes
It is annoying that you can't necessarily connect to all instances from your favorite instance, but this is also what makes the fediverse great compared to more centralized social media. Even though dessalines decided to delist ani.social, ani.social still exists and is still connected to instances other than lemmy.ml.
Although seemingly distorted views of reality coming from the main lemmy dev team do concern me.
Alright, get on with it dessalines. Assuming the moderators of ani.social were actually up to the job, I'd like some substantial proof.
Edit: am I better off on Lemmy.world? Are the mods here more sane? I don't interact with them, but if you have, please comment below
LW has a huge userbase. You are better off joining up to ani-social or other small instances. (Like reddthat :P #shameless-plug). We like anime and h- content
FWIW, I've been very happy with lemm.ee's stance on defederation: very reserved and transparent.
Lemmy.world admins are power abusing bullies. If lemmy.ml is defederating for this then they are soon to follow.
Defederating over claims without evidence just makes you an asshole. Way to go lemmy.ml
At this point I guess I'm gonna create my own instance i guess
Come to reddthat. We love anime and h-
It's been great and not that expensive using a VPS.
$6 for the vps and $1 for 40GB HDD.
Although the HDD probably is making my instance slow, to improve it it'd be $4 for 40GB of SSD, but since the instance is only for me I don't have any issue in waiting a few minutes.
good way to kill the platform
We'll create our own anime community with blackjack and hookers
It's always anime and related subs that get targeted, huh? No matter what platform you're on..
That's really unfortunate that this happened. Are they planning on moving your posts to a different instance, like lemmy.world, or will they try to get people to come to ani.social for the episode interaction with Shinobu bot?
Bot maintainer made a post over here.
tl;dr is that the short term plan is to try to reverse the defederation. Longer term plan if that doesn't work is probably to try to resume posting with a user on a different instance.
The root of the problem is that the anime community on the lemmy-verse has more or less consolidated to this community for episode discussions. If you look at other instances, there is a huge drop off in activity when it comes to episode discussion communities compared to here. So, it would not make sense to try to move this community to another instance as that would pretty much destroy what has been built up here compared with just moving the host instance for the bot.
hope I'm not misinterpreting but wouldn't staying on lemmy.ml only delay a potential recurrence of problems?
cause what's stopping the admins from nuking the anime community if they've already chosen to defed from ani.social?
tbh to me it makes the most sense to migrate the community to ani.social as they were the community that was unreasonably impacted from this decision
this kinda looks like a reddit situation again
You're not wrong and I think that is exactly what chaorace's reply to me in that thread is worried about. Frankly this situation is really unfortunate and I don't have a good answer.
Frankly this situation is really unfortunate and I don't have a good answer.
yeaa that's totally fair, this shit sucks
with weighing longterm pros vs cons personally I'd still try and convince the community to transfer over as:
- the risk for staying on lemmy.ml seems too high
- hitagi seems to be trying their best to fix this with no fault of their own
- moving would send a message that fucking with communities with illogical reasoning would not be in the devs best interests
Communities on the fediverse aren't beholden to a single instance as well. If .ml admins can't come to agreement to refederate, y'all should contact the shinobu bot dev to start including links to ani-social discussions on this instance, and petition mods of this community to do something to help that transition (what that is? I dunno).
That said, I'm saying this having read these comments but not the og post. idk what the actual context to the conversation is, nor validity of the defederation, I'm just pro-democracy.
I of course can't speak on behalf of N3DSdude, but I'm in support of whatever the community wants to happen, happening. Just give us reason to believe it's actually a significant portion of the community please
man im thinking about creating a account there for my daily dose of anime