Also positive masculinity tends to still be rooted in fairly patriarchal ideas of what it means to be a man in ways that liberation from gender roles specifically is not.

You're right about the assumption... ... But the assumptions are also part of the problem.

Women's liberation doesn't get a second glance at is name, so why can't a men's liberation discussion group enjoy the same?

Well, you're right, that was my initial assumption upon immediately seeing the name. It also aroused enough of my curiosity to check further though.

I like the idea behind the community but it is a terrible name.

The men's liberation movement is a concept going back 50+ years. It would be difficult to change that at this point.

Also r/MensLib is a large, well-known sub with a well-defined remit. If you are going to start something similar on here it would be confusing not to go with a similar name. However, because of its scope, from what I saw, it tended to be a bit alienating to those who didn't toe the party line.

So there is room for a community focused on a broader, looser discussion of the topic (although it'd need strict moderating), like:

I’m sure there are much better names, such as Positive Masculinity for example.

Healthy Masculinity? It seems to be the more accepted term, although they can be used interchangeably.

Make it happen! Not a man but would love to see it out there

Consider that patriarchy hurts men too. There's a lot of pressure to be a certain way in order to "be a man", no crying or expressing emotions beyond anger or happiness, gotta be tough, that sort of thing. We can and should liberate ourselves from those toxic expectations

Edit: i'm sure someone else might be able to word it better, that's just off the top of my head/how i interpret it

It's a reference to the women's lib movement. It's about liberation from patriarchy and traditional gender roles.

See here: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women%27s_liberation_movement

The name isn't new, it comes from the same place as women's lib, afaik the concept of Mens Lib has been around since the 70s. We all want to be free of harmful and unnecessary gender stereotypes. r/menslib was a great subreddit.

I had the same question opening this thread so I googled it.

the interconnected nature of social categorizations such as race, class, and gender as they apply to a given individual or group, regarded as creating overlapping and interdependent systems of discrimination or disadvantage.

Bad bot. Bot should notice when the post also contains a link in its preferred format.

Just a fairly inactive community. Was hoping to breathe a little life into it with this post.