Still seems way overpriced. Doesn't even have name recognition anymore.
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I'd guess that $19 billion is the value where if someone bought it and did their best to undo everything and get it back on track, that's how much it would be worth.
The problem with measuring value is you have to quantify what that $19 billion actually is. Like you could say it's the share price times the number of shares, except now twitter is privately owned we don't have a market share price anymore.
Theoretically what someone would pay for it. The buyer always has plans to make it better.
Or the textbook definition, the present value of the sum of all future profits.
The buyer always has plans to make it better.
That's an interesting claim to make, especially on this post 😄
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I wonder if that’s a portion of why it’s devalued so much. I mean I know there’s a dozen or more other reasons but brand recognition could very well be one of them.
Take a look at their user data over the past year with the name change date in mind.
It’s is absolutely ASTONISHING how fucking moronic and empty headed Elon Musk is. A literal idiot with all the money.
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I don't get that platform. I just signed up for mastodon and am not sure I'm feeling that either.
I feel like these Twitter-style sites are just ...like... Keyboard warriors. It's just smug post after smug post.
It honestly creeps me out. Like I see all these popular political posts by profile icons I recognize.... But every post is just whinging...
Who are these people and why do they get popularity and even mentioned on the news as truth when their posts have no sources and are just bullshit political emotion. Then you read a news article that "Twitter is cancelling....". All because there was one post about with someone acting like a dick.
In its ideal form, a microblog style site could literally provide an online version of a collective consciousness of society. It would be a live feed of normal people's thoughts.
Except in reality it's porn, smug posting, corporate advertising, vitriol, and propaganda all fueled by algorithms written to keep mofos scrolling.
It was good for two things: on the ground news, and speaking directly to businesses to resolve customer complaints.
Which Elon ruined since most businesses are abandoning it. But man at one time if you complain on twitter and tag the company in it your problem would fix pretty fast. Doubt that would work today.
Which is dumb you have to take your support request public before you get sny sort of help
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To put this in perspective, they lost an average of $2B per month in value. According to HUD, there were about 582,000 homeless people in the US last year. $2B per month is enough to house all of them nearly 4 times over if you assume $1k per month in housing expenses.
What a monumental waste of resources that could have made a difference. Musk just sucks
It's not real money, though. It's all just speculative value based on estimates of future revenue.
The real barrier to ending homelessness is the large number of real estate vacancies that are held open to prop up the price of the housing market. Twitter's lost value has nothing to do with that.
But the 44B was payed, so they do/did exist. Now he could have just NOT bought twitter and spent half of this money on the poor et voilà no more homeless for at least 4 years.
But you are right with the rest.
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If only more people would move to Mastodon it could drop another 50% in value!
Please don't put more pressure on us, we're already telling people to do that.
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WORTH 19 BILLION TO WHO??
No one willing to buy, so it ain't worth shit
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Makes sense.
Almost immediately after buying it, Elon enshittified the site - and not only that, but changed it's branding from one of the most recognisable names/logos in the world to a fucking "X" (almost always suffixed with "formerly Twitter" so people actually remember what the fuck it is)
almost always suffixed with "formerly Twitter" so people actually remember what the fuck it is
This continues to bring me such joy.
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It’s not even a unique X. The exact X they’re using as a logo already exists as a Unicode character 𝕏
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I was expecting much less than that. o_O
That's because it isn't worth nearly that.
It was estimated at around $20 bil when he bought it. Since then he has more than cut revenue in half. The value today is at most $ 10 bil.
Except Musk has added a burden of $ 20 bil in debt, causing interest cost of $1.5 bil per year.
Twitter was not earning money when Musk bought it, but now it operates at huge deficits, and has huge negative internal value.
So the company has a net negative value. The only value may come from losses being tax deductible to a buyer. But that too is worth way less than the debt. Any value is completely speculative, based on a belief against evidence, that the company can still be turned around.
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I mean that’s based on what Elon said, so that’s vastly over estimated.
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…Yaccarino said that revenues grew in the high-single digit percentage…
She should start her own line of perfume. Desperation, by Linda Yaccarino.
Guaranteed to make you smell Musky.
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Its funny how this headline keeps coming up every couple of weeks with a smaller number each time.
I dont know how they generate these evaluations, and honestly I dont even trust they are accurate. Or care, my life is fully uneffected by the success or failure of that site.
But it is always funny to read the new nearly identical headline with the number shifted down by 1-4 billion from last time.
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Is it, though?
Its a digital message board on some overpriced servers.
Is this the wikipedia-argument back at him? The whole twitter post history could fit on a single hard drive, so why are people paying for it?
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$19 billion is still a lot. Boys, lets try to bring it down to $19 million
This guy has the attention span of a circus flea, doesn't he?
I'm high af and buying Twitter. Hate speech is lol because I feel unloved. Advertisers you go now, you damned J's. We don't need qualified staff for 2.0 I know how to paste code. Ok now we're gonna make hella $ with "verified". Shit. Ok I gotta unplug some servers and refactor. I know PHP. A child looked me in the eyes but he couldn't see into me like I know the others do. Now we're X for some reason. Now we're revenue sharing. I like to lie. Now we're subscriptions, babby. No we're gonna facilitate financial transactions in a challenge to the banking sector now cuz they got my nuts in a fukkin' vice here Linda!
Transforming Twitter into an 'everything' app is a terrible idea. Why? Take WeChat, for example. Initially a messaging app, it now incorporates a multitude of services including short video clips similar to YouTube, Twitter-like posts (for friends only), a wallet linked to a bank card, and more. One of my Chinese friends said, 'You won't find anyone in China who doesn't use WeChat because it has everything we need!' It seems that users are quite satisfied with the services WeChat provides.
However, they may be overlooking the drawbacks of such centralized applications:
- Privacy issues: Identity verification is required; without it, most features are inaccessible.
- Censorship: I suspect that all communications are stored on a central server, with algorithms designed to detect sensitive content or keywords related to politics, NSFW material, etc. Since it's linked to your identity, you could easily end up on a blacklist.
- Account suspension: The developer has the power to suspend accounts at any time due to the centralized nature of the system.
- Security risks: If someone gains access to your phone or passcode, they could access your money, your contacts' information, and your personal details, since it's an 'everything' app.
- Manipulation: Show those news that the country or the company want us to, hide those that are not helpful to them.
These issues and risks are inherent in centralized platforms and social media but consolidating them into an 'everything' app only amplifies the risks. My friend mentioned that WeChat hasn't introduced a subscription fee yet, but Twitter and other services have.
I mean, an 'everything' app might be feasible in a restricted country like China, in the United States? Hell not! But, Big Tech and governments have the monopolistic power to make these things happen, so we have to find alternatives. The sooner we migrate, the sooner we can reduce the risks that I mentioned above.
The digital world is incredible, but also dangerous. It's best that we start protecting our own privacy rights, our right to speak freely, and our right to control our own minds and discern the truth.
Wechat als always had the backing of the central government. They got funding and, probably more important, the government slowed or outright banned other apps. The Verge has a good piece on it.
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I'm so tired of Musk...Can we please shoot him into the immense vacuum of space aboard one of his precious Teslas?
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Elon Musk was born on third base but tells everyone he hit a triple.
His parents literally owned slaves.
He was a white kid in South Africa. Even if he was dirt poor and born into a broken home, in he was still further ahead than most of the country. Born at least on first or second base.
He had an upbringing of privilege. Mental and physical healthcare, plenty of food, fancy trips and parties, tutors and tuition, as much money as he wanted to start businesses; dude never wanted for anything. Elon being self made is an absolute lie.
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Who gives shit? Let it sink. Let it be forgotten. Stop giving it attention.
Personally I am going to miss the random problematic tweets by famous people that they later blame on medication.
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Lol. What a dumbass.
It's called "eloning"
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