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The Swiss People’s Party (SVP), which centered its campaign on anti-immigrant rhetoric, is projected to win 29 percent of the vote, up from 25.6 percent four years ago and higher than pre-election polls. It has been the country’s largest party since 2003.

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[–] Grant_M@lemmy.ca 39 points 1 year ago (1 children)

We are under attack by a global RW fascist insurgency.

[–] sheogorath@lemmy.world 34 points 1 year ago (1 children)

More like the masks are off now. People are still racist but they didn't show it because of the social media implications. I saw a guy on LinkedIn who did an experiment because his name is middle eastern sounding he didn't get any response to his job applications. He decided to change his name on his resume to Jack and the response rate skyrocketed.

[–] Grant_M@lemmy.ca 11 points 1 year ago

100% Fully radicalized now and dangerous.

[–] madcaesar@lemmy.world 37 points 1 year ago (10 children)

As with any issue balance is the key. Being anti immigration is wrong, but also letting in anyone without strong stipulations is wrong as well.

As a lefty, the problem with the left, and the reason they are losing this issue, is because they want to be so PC that they won't even allow discussion on the issue for fear of not looking ultra progressive to their friends.

If you want to immigrate into a country, you must 100% be aligned with the values of your new country. You can't come in and demand that people respect your religious views if they are anti women or anti homosexuals or anti trans.

To many of my progressive brothers and sisters seem to be ok tolerating intolerance. If your religion demands that your wife walks behind you pushing the stroller with a burka on in 40 degree weather, while you get to walk around in shorts and flip-flops we're going to have a problem.

[–] Zaktor@sopuli.xyz 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Sounds like a pretty well constructed straw man woven in with some genuinely disturbing nativist stances (e.g., 100% value alignment as a precondition). And all in response to an article where nothing is mentioned about any positions on immigration from any of the other parties, most of which (including the socialists) just maintained their size. But yes, I'm sure "as a lefty" you think "balance is key" on every issue and somehow manage to use the rise of the right to talk about how it's really progressives' fault.

[–] madcaesar@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You've perfectly demonstrated the validity of my argument and why we are the left losing this argument. You're basically accusing me of being alt right or fuck else who knows, because I believe this issue isn't just let anyone in who wants to get in.

It's idiotic I even have to say this, but one glance at my comment history shows that I'm not some both sides dickhead.

Again, it's sad I even have to point this out, but here we are.

I've always said with immigration, bring your heritage, your cultures, your customs your food, but they MUST not conflict with values of liberty and equality for all.

The fact that this is controversial to you just shows how warped a person's thinking and perspective can become in the persuit of pc culture.

[–] Zaktor@sopuli.xyz 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'm accusing you of being a center-left "smart Democrat" who blames right wing radicalization of the populace based on deep seated and enduring prejudices on "progressives". I did briefly look at your comment history and just a page in you're once again making a straw man about progressives while prefacing it with "I'm as liberal as it gets". And all while capping this response with a "PC culture" complaint that's more or less saying "woke mind virus". It's basically just early Bill Maherism.

And I'll reiterate again that your blame the left comment for anti-immigrant prejudice is in response to an article where none of the immigration positions of the left parties were even mentioned.

[–] madcaesar@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

No. I blame us losing to right wing candidates by making idiotic stands that do not appeal to regular people.

Saying open borders anyone can come in just won't fly. Hell, if it won't fly with someone like me who's more left than average it has no chance of succeeding.

So you can't scratch your head and wonder why are the crazy rights winning, when you couldn't even get liberal people on board.

I don't know if we are talking past each other, I'm simply saying there needs to be solid requirements for immigration.

Requirements that defend freedom and autonomy for everyone. We don't need to tap dance around the fact that religion in general, but Islam in particular does not have a good track record here.

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[–] 2ncs@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

If you want to immigrate into a country, you must 100% be aligned with the values of your new country.

It's just hard to say that when a lot of European Colonialism took place in these countries, some gaining independence within the last 100 years (referring to the middle east as alluded to in your last paragraph)

I don't really know where to stand and I don't think you can be in a position that is correct given the effects of colonialism from Europe. The fact that some effects of this colonialism (especially in Africa) have destroyed some countries/cultures, when the natural population didn't "100%" align with the colonizers makes it hard to not sympathise with these people. A lot of these immigrants are leaving their home countries (not all), due to the rippling effects of colonialism.

I should say while I agree with your statement, I don't know how to account for the effects of external influence that may be causing said immigration.

[–] spark947@lemm.ee 5 points 1 year ago

You can take in refugees and immigrants, and expect them to adhere to the law. It's not hard.

[–] WhiteHawk@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

It doesn't even make sense, logically speaking. They do not tolerate intolerance, unless the intolerant person has a dark skin, then it's fine. I just don't get it.

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[–] Silverseren@kbin.social 36 points 1 year ago (3 children)

As we've seen repeatedly in the past decade, the Swiss has a major issue with racism on all fronts. It's been pretty extreme.

[–] P1r4nha@feddit.de 22 points 1 year ago

This time SVP didn't even hide or deny their connections to known neo nazi groups. They openly posted so on IG. One parliament member even got one of these groups organize her campaign.

But to provide context: Many countries in Europe are shifting to the right at the moment. Not a huge surprise unfortunately.

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[–] Pamasich@kbin.social 29 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children)

Not surprising, given they were the only ones serious about advertising. We got so many leaflets from them at work and home and I even saw them on Reddit, yet nothing at all on those distribution channels from any other parties. I've seen some billboards by others, but it feels like 80% of the ones I've seen were SVP.

I personally hate them and didn't vote for them, but I don't think it's surprising they have such a big following.

[–] ogeist@lemmy.world 15 points 1 year ago (1 children)

That's an interesting case to analyze, following the money for those campaigns might be dangerous. Just a few days ago the US sent notes to several countries regarding external influences on elections.

Additionally, many european countries are literally getting old. The birth rate has been dropping for a while.

[–] BenadrylChunderHatch@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago (2 children)

31% of the population of Switzerland are non-Swiss residents without voting rights.

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[–] MonkderZweite@feddit.ch 11 points 1 year ago

Where the money is...

1000014526 This one was definitely the worst one

[–] hh93@lemm.ee 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I think it's pretty sad that this is influencing people's decision who to vote for - I understand it a bit if you vote the politicians directly since those change every couple of years but voting a party that's been part of the political system forever because they advertised more than the other parties? That seems very sad

[–] Zaktor@sopuli.xyz 2 points 1 year ago

A lot of voters are ignorant idiots who prefer not to think about politics, but have been convinced that voting is something they should do. I have an acquaintance who was convinced by their progressive politically active partner to vote and, before an emergency intervention corrected this, was thinking about voting for an insane Republican because their name sounded cool.

Pumping up the number of voters in aligned bases is still a good idea for parties, but the deeper you get into those kind of apathetic non-voters, the more they're going to vote based on nonsense.

[–] TwoGems@lemmy.world 24 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Can you stop electing fascists please? It's ruining my day.

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[–] admiralteal@kbin.social 23 points 1 year ago (5 children)

Does Switzerland even have meaningful immigration to be concerned with banning it?

Isn't this the country where communities vote on their neighbors' citizenship applications?

[–] Silverseren@kbin.social 19 points 1 year ago (2 children)

20% of the population is immigrants. But the vast majority aren't Muslim, so this party seems like it would be targeting Christians more than Muslims in actuality. Though I doubt they admit that to anyone.

[–] P1r4nha@feddit.de 14 points 1 year ago

In the cities it can even reach 40%. They are mostly Germans and from other European countries. The numbers are high because citizenship is difficult to get. SVP however is strong in the countryside, not in cities. Most concerns are about refugees from the middle east and Africa.

SVP are clearly racist, anti-Muslim based on past referendums and rhetoric. The european court for human rights is denounced by them as "foreign judges" who are blocking the will of the Swiss people. But no, they don't admit to being racist.

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[–] MonkderZweite@feddit.ch 4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

1/3 of swiss popularion are not from here. But yeah, it's silly, with the whole 4-cultures thing in swiss.

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[–] anon6789@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

My first thought as well. I've always heard it was pretty difficult to move to Switzerland.

[–] P1r4nha@feddit.de 3 points 1 year ago

There's plenty of immigration or our economy would get crushed by our ageing population.

And there may still be some villages where they still vote on this, but most places have it regulated. The rules are inconvenient however so our immigration number is high (20-25%) even if they've lived here for years.

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[–] Rootiest@lemmy.world 16 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I think we need to bring back the global "it's ok to punch Nazis" rule

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[–] DigitalTraveler42@lemm.ee 16 points 1 year ago (8 children)

"We're really just interested in more of that Nazi gold..."

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