So we should defend Israel's "right" here but "sympatheize" with the desperate and hopeless?
Isn't the former more tangible than the latter?
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So we should defend Israel's "right" here but "sympatheize" with the desperate and hopeless?
Isn't the former more tangible than the latter?
zizek is a dumbass. hate how he constantly makes metaphors to SV. honestly anyone that does that needs to be thrown in a pit
it's the extremists that are the problem, not the responsible center
Literally doing horseshoe theory. Why did I ever think this guy was profound again?
A toast to the troops. All the troops. Both sides.
Palestine has tried being peaceful, and was given sniper fire for the trouble.
Permanent leg crippling is the enlightened compromise between slaughter and not slaughter ![centrist](https://www.hexbear.net/pictrs/image/42c3c427-17ea-41aa-958e-c3e33ef95186.png "emoji centrist")
Utopian as this may sound
yeah zizek, you're right, that is insanely utopian. nonsensical and completely detached from physical reality, if you would
What a long winded way of saying "both sides".
Both sides but also, Israel still wins here.
The point of bothsidesing is always that the already dominant side wins by default.
So he basically has the same nuanced understanding of the situation as my dad. Cool
Zizek always gave me grifter vibes but maybe that's just my ideology talking.
Always a good sign when self-declared Hegelians/dialectical materialists start denying that something is a contradiction
We can and should unconditionally support Israel’s right to defend itself
Fucking why must we do this, Zizek?
For one, I reject any definition of "defense" that includes bombing territory you do not control. Attacking in retribution is what it is. Second, accepting Israel's right to "defend" itself can only occur if you accept the right of "Israel" (meaning a Jewish ethnostate at the eastern end of the Mediterranean) to be something that ought to exist in the first place. To do this is to accept Zionism on its face as some sort of axiom. Why should any self-proclaimed socialist accept any ethnostate? A society that does not accept all cultures as equal is not one that should be propped up or supported.
He also accepts the framing of "anyone opposed to Israel is an anti-semite", but takes the slightly more nuanced view that "anyone who supports Palestinian statehood is not necessarily an anti-Semite". How brave.
Anyway this is trash. Almost everyone now recognizes that letting white people draw lines on a map is a recipe for disaster except in the case of Israel for some reason.
For one, I reject any definition of "defense" that includes bombing territory you do not control. Attacking in retribution is what it is.
There are situations where a counter offensive is the only way to defend oneself, though that is definitely not the case for Israel
he already is eating from the trash can all the time
No country has a right to commit genocide for "self defense".
Zizek should stick to hotdogs
Both hot dogs are equally right and wrong and utopian as it may seem, duel wielding them is the most sensible solution. ![zizek-theory](https://www.hexbear.net/pictrs/image/70c62714-1856-49b0-8cda-fa7a0ba2bf9e.png "emoji zizek-theory")
As bad as i imagined. Straight from the trash can ![zizek-ok](https://www.hexbear.net/pictrs/image/893ccedf-243b-41b1-933c-dac92841ed0c.png "emoji zizek-ok")
Ironic. He could save others from their unexamined ideology... but not himself. ![unlimited-power](https://www.hexbear.net/pictrs/image/b74faa9e-bfe5-4e87-a4af-cbad46a73c61.png "emoji unlimited-power")
Its not a tale the libs would tell you
terrorist attacks
Westoid ass
unwavering commitment to the fight against anti-Semitism.
when you definitely have a good understanding of zionism
Those who think there is a “contradiction” in this position are the ones who are effectively blocking a solution.
Oh, so ideas are the things blocking things from change. Here, I thought it was the people with guns upholding an imperial project. If we just change people's minds, the conflict will be resolved. What a relief, that sounds way easier.
Did this guy ever even pretend to be a materialist or did lacan fry his brain from the outset?
effectively blocking a solution.
TFW final solutions are effectively blocked. ![scared-fash](https://www.hexbear.net/pictrs/image/54b6983b-7db3-4f0f-bab0-261464e6d2a9.png "emoji scared-fash")
It is honestly incredible that every single theorist I was introduced to in college social history (as an alternative to Marxist theorists) has turned out to be complete and utter dogshit.
Hamas and Israeli hardliners are two sides of the same coin. The choice is not one hardline faction or the other; it is between fundamentalists and all those who still believe in the possibility of peaceful co-existence.
Bro why should there be "peaceful co-existence" between a people and an invading nation, the very existence of which in any capacity is contingent on the violent forceful displacement and genocide of the said people?
I thought this guy does his research? Doesn't he know about how Israel came to be, how it destroyed Palestine and relentlessly torments the survivors in a concentration camp hell? Has Zizek gone senile?
Isn't peaceful coexistence the sort of premise of the one secular state solution that's the standard leftist line though?
Peaceful coexistence within a free Palestinian state, not "peaceful coexistence" of so-called two states or "peaceful coexistence" within an Israeli apartheid state. The possibility of peaceful coexistence only exists if Israel ceases to exist and the colonization stops, and I think it would be pretty generous to Zizek to assume that's what he meant here.
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I wasn’t expecting much, but goddamnit did he really have to go with the pogrom comparison? It’s beyond intellectually bankrupt, completely ignores the historical context of pogroms being against the disenfranchised, not committed by them. Using it here has serious “reverse racism” vibes.
We can and should unconditionally support Israel’s right to defend itself against terrorist attacks. But we also must unconditionally sympathize with the truly desperate and hopeless conditions faced by Palestinians in Gaza and the occupied territories. Those who think there is a “contradiction” in this position are the ones who are effectively blocking a solution.
we can and should unconditionally support a lion's right to defend itself from the person its eating. but we also must unconditionally sympathize with the conditions faced by the person being eaten by the lion. those who think there is a contradiction is blocking the solution!
How can such a smart man be so fucking stupid all the fucking time.
Too much Lacan will do that to you. Many such cases
"Unconditionally" is not just an interchangeable synonym of "profoundly".
Words mean things.
"You have to understand here, the HREAL antisemitism is not the idea that Jews cannot integrate into civilizations outside Israel and so forth. Rather the - and this will be controversial - solution to the Israel-Palestine contradiction is that we must support ONLY the hard-line Zionist and Islamist factions if we are to be impartial to reality."
Didn't even need to read the article as soon as I saw the title I knew it would be some stupid ![galaxy-brain](https://www.hexbear.net/pictrs/image/fa05d4fe-f163-40e0-a03d-912cd48096ad.png "emoji galaxy-brain") shit
70 years of negotiating yet isnreal still doing slow rolling ethnic cleansing. Support one state solution then dipshit
That is nuclear waste tier of shit takes coming from Zizek
cool, I read the first 3 words and got everything I needed from it, another careerist fence sitter
Can someone explain to me why r/chapotraphouse seemed to fucking love this guy? Everything I hear from Zizek makes me think less and less of him
Tired of this guy
Azov Zizek strikes again
"Yes, honey..."
Don't even know what to say about this guy anymore. I'm not going to read this whole thing, but the excerpt sounds like a generic western lib op-ed. Is this just what he does now? Goddamn, dude. Either his brain is cooked or he's on the CIA payroll now.
Say it with me everyone! Postmodernists have nothing of value to contribute to theory or revolutionary action.
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