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While assertions have been made by both sides about the incident and death toll, the available evidence is less clear. However, analysis of the video footage rules out most explanations aside from an Israeli strike.

The devastation underlines the heightened risk civilians are facing as tens of thousands flee the north, on Israeli orders, during hostilities. The bodies of at least three children can be seen in multiple clips verified by the FT.

At least 1,400 Israelis have been killed, according to the government, including many women and children. At least 2,500 Palestinians have been killed by Israeli bombardment, about half of them women and below the age of 18, according to Palestinian officials.

On Saturday, Israel told Gazans that it would refrain from bombing two evacuation routes for six hours, including Salah-ad-Din street, where these explosions took place, so that civilians could continue to move south

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[–] queermunist@lemmy.ml 71 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Israel is commiting genocide with unlimited support.

[–] Browning@lemmings.world 36 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

And masking it by restricting the ability of journalists to report on it, by targeting buildings associated with journalism, refusing journalists access, creating unsafe conditions for journalism and cutting power.
This is the reason that counterfactual reports about this bombing have been able to become so prevalent.

[–] Maeve@kbin.social 18 points 1 year ago

I’m actually surprised that ft published this.

[–] fer0n@lemm.ee 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It’s terrible what happened to Israelis and a reaction is understandable. But they’re doing the same and more to equally innocent people on the other side. I’m no expert in that conflict, but no side seems to be in the right here.

[–] TylerDurdenJunior@lemmy.ml 40 points 1 year ago (3 children)

One side is oppressed. While the other is the oppressor. So not totally equal or complicated

[–] Letstakealook@lemm.ee 14 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Very true, everyone also intentionally overlooks that. Nelson Mandela was called a terrorist by the South African apartheid state.

[–] theonyltruemupf@feddit.de -3 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Nelson Mandela didn't murder civilians. That comparison is horrible.

[–] Letstakealook@lemm.ee 6 points 1 year ago

When you decide to become an illegal settler, you stop being a civilian. Pretty simple.

[–] JoBo@feddit.uk 1 points 1 year ago

Amnesty International refused to support Mandela because he was involved in violent resistance. History does not magically change when a resistance wins and becomes the government. Most Israeli prime ministers were once (and for many still are) regarded as terrorists too.

[–] zerfuffle@lemmy.ml 8 points 1 year ago

People have a right to fight for their freedom. The appropriate response to this (if Israel actually cared) is not to push them down and kill people, but to pull them up by developing their economy and social systems.

[–] snaptastic@beehaw.org -2 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] Buttermilk@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

This whole exchange is interesting, but the second half I think this sums this point well.

Ultimately any real world problem has lots of history and different justifications, and I think mask of nuance is being weaponized to pull the conversation out of reality and into a rhetorical space of inaction.

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[–] lustyargonian@lemm.ee 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Why would they resume bombing evacuation routes after 6 hours? Is that some combat area?

[–] Ktastic@lemmy.ml 16 points 1 year ago

They know there will be traffic jams and 6 hours is enough to give people who dont stop to think past their nose, reason to say "see they had the chance to leave" when the reality of logistics means its actually a ripe opportunity for shooting fish in a barrel at 6 hours and one minute.