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[–] TheCaconym@hexbear.net 108 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

Also, it's not that relevant but as far as I know it was never described officially as a rave for "peace". Even old promotional material doesn't.

They described it as "a journey of unity and love" as well as, I quote, a celebration of "friends, love and infinite freedom".

A celebration of infinite freedom a few hundred meters from an open air prison

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[–] Aryuproudomenowdaddy@hexbear.net 70 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Sleepy Biden repeated that they were music goers celebrating peace like 3 times.

[–] TheCaconym@hexbear.net 60 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Unrelated, but I went to take a look at the speech he did; I rarely hear Biden speak in general as I'm in the EU, and jesus christ he's gotten worse since the last time I heard him. He looks like he's physically in pain and it's taking all his will to properly read the words out.

[–] SacredExcrement@hexbear.net 41 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

He looks like he's physically in pain and it's taking all his will to properly read the words out.

I hope so

[–] krolden@lemmy.ml 27 points 1 year ago

And illegal drugs no doubt

[–] TreadOnMe@hexbear.net 41 points 1 year ago

To anyone who has ever been to a rave before, this is usual raver selling chatter. As much as I generally enjoy EDM and all of it's accompanying genres, I genuinely dislike the universal adoption of the superfluous language that was originally used to encourage people to come out and dance in areas that were considered 'abandoned' and 'condemned' to music made by people who were considered the castoffs of society. It all rings hollow when it is just rich kids at a club sponsored by a weapons manufacturer.

It's one of my favorite parts of Disco Elysium, but as much as we want to separate the dance from reality, the dance still exists there.

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[–] NephewAlphaBravo@hexbear.net 66 points 1 year ago (2 children)

If it was random, not-explicitly-nazi germans who were having a picnic outside Auschwitz and got merked by escaped prisoners, I'd still be like "yeah maybe you weren't soldiers, but "

They were just peaceful lebensraum settlers.

[–] star_wraith@hexbear.net 31 points 1 year ago

Ultimately I would still say the blame is to be laid 100% on the regime that put people in the concentration camps, not the people who escaped from them.

[–] SorosFootSoldier@hexbear.net 60 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

I hate how they keep framing this as "omg peaceful party-goers just massacred by savage orcs!" totally side-stepping all of the history that's lead up to this day and why this attack happened.

[–] FlakesBongler@hexbear.net 53 points 1 year ago

History only begins when the bad guys decide to do an evil

[–] VILenin@hexbear.net 17 points 1 year ago

Nazis also went to parties

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[–] the_kid@hexbear.net 59 points 1 year ago

everyone keeps telling me how bad I'm supposed to feel for these people. I really don't at all, maybe if you're partying a few miles from a concentration camp you deserve to be fuckin killed. people are pretending like this a new thing, musicians and performers have for decades refused to perform in Israel exactly for this reason.

[–] cynesthesia@hexbear.net 40 points 1 year ago

the promo material for this looks like any rave anywhere else - electronica and drugs and PLUR. all good things, but let's call a spade a spade here

also I bet that if we scraped the history of the people talking about how peaceful these raves are, that we would find their previous whining and moaning about how dangerous raves are/were from back in the 90s/2000s.

[–] WhatDoYouMeanPodcast@hexbear.net 29 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This "those who don't learn from history are doomed to repeat it" is going really fucking hard right now. All it would take is to not tolerate intolerance and not put a timeline on someone else's freedom and you could have good foreign policy. Millions of people die for bullshit. It's fucking bullshit. And what do we get in return? Cheap plastic? Rush hour traffic? What the fuck???

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[–] krolden@lemmy.ml 25 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] SpiderFarmer@hexbear.net 22 points 1 year ago

Get past censors, likely. At least enough to dodge some bots.

[–] mustardman@hexbear.net 21 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Auschwitz was a literal death camp. Stop normalizing the Shoa

[–] ThomasMuentzner@hexbear.net 43 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

this is the animal zoo for the SS children at KZ buchenwald , dehumanization is a central issue.

[–] alcoholicorn@hexbear.net 19 points 1 year ago (1 children)

What the fuck literally in view of the place where they burned bodies?

[–] ThomasMuentzner@hexbear.net 16 points 1 year ago

yes , they didnt mind ...

thats what you need to understand about the rave attendees , they are only there because they didnt mind..

[–] SchillMenaker@hexbear.net 37 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Israel learned one thing from the Holocaust: You can get away with it if you do it really slowly.

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[–] GrouchyGrouse@hexbear.net 15 points 1 year ago

Thank you. I'm not Jewish but it pisses me off when people downplay or try to normalize the holocaust. You show a kid those bodies stacked like cordwood and I guarantee their first question wouldn't have anything to do with ethnicity or religion or anything like that. They'd want to know why all those people are dead and who killed them.

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