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[-] SwingingTheLamp@midwest.social 49 points 1 year ago
[-] TheBlue22@lemmy.blahaj.zone 38 points 1 year ago

What you mean back on the menu?

Pretty much genocide is what Israelis were doing the entire time. Now it's gonna be under the guise of a war. I feel bad for Palestinian civilians.

[-] 100_percent_a_bot@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

Setting up settlements on the westbank would be something you could consider genocide. Yet, especially Isreal probably knows a thing or two about genocide, considering both their ancient and recent history.

Their rough history and neighborhood does in no way justify the things they are doing but it very well explains them. No idea what Palestine was thinking though. Things are going to be ugly for them, like Sodom and Gomorrah getting doused in flames levels of ugly...

[-] TheBlue22@lemmy.blahaj.zone 13 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Hamas != Palestinians

I think it's very important to make that distinction.

Hamas wasn't thinking. Their shitty extremist ideology makes them believe that blowing themselves up will secure a place in heaven with Allah. They are delusional fanatics.

[-] 100_percent_a_bot@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago

So Israel != IDF? I mean you're right but I thought sticking to one frame of reference (country) might be best when the thread was about them.

[-] TheBlue22@lemmy.blahaj.zone 12 points 1 year ago

More like Israel != All Jews. Government obviously supports and orders the IDF around so they are as guilty as they are.

[-] 100_percent_a_bot@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

Yeah but then you'd be looking at the Israeli government - more specifically the government of Netanjahu - not Israel. The people are pretty divided about the settlement stuff and the IDF had a hard time getting new people into their ranks recently.

[-] tetraodon@feddit.it -1 points 1 year ago

You could also argue that most Palestinians support Hamas, and most support armed conflict against Israel: "53% of Palestinians believe Hamas is 'most deserving of representing and leading the Palestinian people,'"

https://apnews.com/article/hamas-middle-east-science-32095d8e1323fc1cad819c34da08fd87

What's more, 60% of Palestinians apparently are favourable to armed conflict with Israel.

https://www.jns.org/poll-paradigm-shift-among-palestinians-as-they-throw-support-behind-hamas/

Whether this includes murdering babies and party-goers, the poll doesn't say.

[-] TheBlue22@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 1 year ago

You understand the fact that Hamas also suppresses and silences any opposition in Gaza, right? It's like saying most average Russians support the war because the statistics say so.

Providing such statistics as you have without this context is lying.

Not to mention, Hamas has not been voted in since 2014. In the votes that were supposed to happen, Hamas looked to lose, so they decided not to hold the vote at all.

[-] tetraodon@feddit.it 1 points 11 months ago

I define lying differently, but I admit you have a point.

[-] n3m37h@lemmy.world 31 points 1 year ago

I have an idea... Now hear me out... CAGE MATCH. Who ever wins gets both countries

Or just kill the politicians on both sides

Just kill politicians in general

[-] mindbleach@sh.itjust.works 26 points 1 year ago

As opposed to previously, when Israel respected Palestinians and their borders.

This is a geopolitical version of "I'm not touching you" that involves sniping the limbs off of children.

We are at the point where most of the world wants to burn down "Palestine" to the ground.

[-] ahugenerd@sh.itjust.works 18 points 1 year ago

I think you misspelled "Russia".

[-] CookieJarObserver@sh.itjust.works 12 points 1 year ago

Eh they'll burn themselves to the ground soon...

[-] Sivalente@lemm.ee 3 points 1 year ago

Both is good.

[-] AllNewTypeFace@leminal.space -2 points 1 year ago

It is antisemitic (under the IHRA definition) to suggest that Israel would commit war crimes

[-] qdJzXuisAndVQb2@lemm.ee 17 points 1 year ago

I just read it. Which part exactly (please quote) do you think supports what you claimed?

Here's the link to the definition, which includes some examples: What is antisemitism? About the IHRA non-legally binding working definition of antisemitism

I'll make it even easier. Here is the full text of the definition:

Antisemitism is a certain perception of Jews, which may be expressed as hatred toward Jews. Rhetorical and physical manifestations of antisemitism are directed toward Jewish or non-Jewish individuals and/or their property, toward Jewish community institutions and religious facilities.

I think we can still point out israeli war crimes without being called antisemitic under that definition.

[-] azertyfun@sh.itjust.works 20 points 1 year ago

Being critical of the Israeli State and IDF is actually a very mainstream, well-accepted opinions in my experience. For instance Netanyahu's fascistic bullshit is widely criticized, even within Israel.

However, Hamas apology or antisemitic remarks are not acceptable; so whenever someone says "we can't even criticize Israel!! Freedom of speech!!1!!", I strongly suspect that they've done either of these things and got a righteous clapback.

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