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[–] red552@hexbear.net 54 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] Catradora_Stalinism@hexbear.net 22 points 1 year ago (1 children)

by that logic am I a class traitor

woah

time to go on a podcast and talk about the evil left on hexbear

[–] AOCapitulator@hexbear.net 14 points 1 year ago (1 children)

its our fault you are pro genocide now, we shouldn't have been so rude ![wojak-nooo](https://www.hexbear.net/pictrs/image/44f42cb5-b644-4687-a9f4-14557f5c0582.png "emoji wojak-nooo")

[–] Catradora_Stalinism@hexbear.net 13 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

You could be right, but I don't care because you're rude about it. ![death-to-the-poor](https://www.hexbear.net/pictrs/image/12e36dfe-c3e7-4e27-babd-d84269188e42.png "emoji death-to-the-poor")

[–] aaro@hexbear.net 43 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

not only is it bourgeoise, but it is also homophobic, reactionary, haram, counterrevolutionary, ecocidal, and frankly cheugy as hell

[–] Abraxiel@hexbear.net 30 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The transition of marriage from a primarily economic union to one that is based in personal companionship is something that I think is actually a very good aspect of modernity.

[–] spectre@hexbear.net 12 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'm a high COL area it's often an economic union in large part.

[–] john_browns_beard@hexbear.net 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Straight marriage is the union of one man, one woman, and one health insurance policy

🤮 because it's true

[–] TraschcanOfIdeology@hexbear.net 27 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

It can be, and it often is, but it's not because it is ontologically bourgeois or reactionary, rather it's because hegemonic ideology will grab onto every institution found in human life and ascribe it's values to it, turning it into a normalizing force that self-enforces itself in order to support the power relations that led to it existing in the first place, as is the case of marriage reinforcing the patriarchy and heteronormativity which led to marriage existing in turn.

Gramsci lays out in a great way how hegemony coopts institutions and human life ![gramsci-heh](https://www.hexbear.net/pictrs/image/0e94449e-4e87-4e87-b144-186119b539b0.png "emoji gramsci-heh")

[–] JoeByeThen@hexbear.net 13 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Do have any beginner reading you'd recommend of Gramsci? I got the first volume of the Prison Notebooks, but it was a bit out of my league.

[–] dannoffs@lemmy.sdf.org 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The prison notebooks are the bulk of his available work. I'd say read one of the "selections from Gramsci's prison notebooks" books.

[–] TraschcanOfIdeology@hexbear.net 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This is a good starting point! There's also no shame in reading annotated versions, where more accessible authors elaborate on the ideas present in the text. I can't recommend any in English because I've only read Gramsci in Spanish and Italian, but I'm sure there must be good translations of him in English, maybe even by ![pete-eat](https://www.hexbear.net/pictrs/image/1f8cf49e-5218-42a7-b110-063264f9e2ce.png "emoji pete-eat")'s dad.

[–] Florn@hexbear.net 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Can you recommend some of the Spanish ones?

Sorry, but I can't help you there... My philosophy professor just gave us photocopies of a book he knew was good, and I have no way of tracking those down.

Read my response to dannoffs' comment... I haven't read Gramsci in English, so I can't recommend any annotated versions, but starting with those maybe selected around a single topic (Gramsci tended to go all over the place in the notebooks a bit) could help.

[–] CarmineCatboy@hexbear.net 22 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

all things and concepts are bourgeois if you can profit from them. case in point, wedding planners. in the people's republic of earth all weddings shall be planned by a chatgpt run by the government.

[–] kristina@hexbear.net 8 points 1 year ago

asking the centrally planned chatgpt to plan my gender reveal explosion

[–] alexandra_kollontai@hexbear.net 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Centrally planned weddings to go with the centrally planned economy.

[–] culpritus@hexbear.net 22 points 1 year ago (1 children)

When two people are under the influence of the most violent, most insane, most delusive, and most transient of passions, they are required to swear that they will remain in that excited, abnormal, and exhausting condition until death do them part. [G.B. Shaw, preface to "Getting Married," 1908]

You must imagine Sisyphus married.

[–] 2Password2Remember@hexbear.net 13 points 1 year ago

“i hate my wife lmao” the book

Death to America

[–] Dolores@hexbear.net 17 points 1 year ago (1 children)

well, women are bourgeois, so any wedding containing them is by extension, bourgeois. ![theory-gary](https://www.hexbear.net/pictrs/image/4506a36c-5a1b-4258-a5d1-bd7b35e7ee09.png "emoji theory-gary")

[–] usernamesaredifficul@hexbear.net 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

is lesbian marriage double bourgeoise

[–] Dolores@hexbear.net 5 points 1 year ago

without doubt.

[–] SorosFootSoldier@hexbear.net 17 points 1 year ago

It is if it's a cottagecore wedding.

[–] ComradeCmdrPiggy@hexbear.net 15 points 1 year ago

Fellas, is it gay to marry someone of the opposite sex?

[–] RonPaulyShore@hexbear.net 12 points 1 year ago

fellas is it gay to be straight

[–] iridaniotter@hexbear.net 11 points 1 year ago

Literally yes. Contrast with feudal arranged marriage. Gay marriage is also bourgeois but to less of an extent. It's just an adaptation of bourgeois (straight) marriage for gay couples. Marriage in China is also bourgeois. Cuban marriage is less bourgeois but not truly communist. Thank you for listening to my Ted talk.

[–] MF_COOM@hexbear.net 9 points 1 year ago

This is a bit right

[–] Frank@hexbear.net 9 points 1 year ago

I conducted a representative double blind demographic unbaised survey of some catgirls i found hanging out in Hexbear and they said yes.

[–] WithoutFurtherDelay@hexbear.net 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

This post’s comments are an excellent example of irony poisoning. No offense intended, it’s just the site culture, not anyone’s fault.

[–] OgdenTO@hexbear.net 8 points 1 year ago (2 children)

What do you mean? I see the majority of the responses to this clearly joke post to actually be thoughtful responses to the question. It's great, because the post is a joke, but only half so in my interpretation, and it gets interesting answers.

What about this is irony poisoning? Thoughtful answers?

Right! I really, really love a lot of the comments on this and they bring fantastic and intriguing points to think about.

[–] WithoutFurtherDelay@hexbear.net 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The ones that are sincere are difficult to tell apart from the bits

[–] OgdenTO@hexbear.net 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Hmm. I don't find it so, but also, I think I assume all the responses are sincere, regardless of how jokey they are.

[–] aaaaaaadjsf@hexbear.net 7 points 1 year ago (3 children)

If two bisexual people of the opposite sex get married, is it a straight marriage or a gay marriage? ![thinkin-lenin](https://www.hexbear.net/pictrs/image/cc7e95a8-2de0-4fcb-823c-db5b7e923093.png "emoji thinkin-lenin")

[–] Owl@hexbear.net 8 points 1 year ago

it has two people of different genders so it's clearly a bisexual marriage

[–] john_browns_beard@hexbear.net 6 points 1 year ago

It's a straight marriage with gay attributes

It is a bisexual marriage

Yes marry me instead.

[–] Hewaoijsdb@hexbear.net 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] alexandra_kollontai@hexbear.net 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] aaro@hexbear.net 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

whether or not that was self aware you have to admit it was extremely funny

[–] ProfessorOwl_PhD@hexbear.net 3 points 1 year ago

Probably, I know a fair number of married Marxists, but all of them only got married for the tax benefits.