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This place has roughly 3,000 people and was intended to be an entire replacement for DaystromInstitute and StarTrek as they were going dark indefinitely. Well, within 4 days the moderators have walked back those statements and opened both subreddits up. I see no incentive for people to come to this website now and while a few may come here in the future, most people will go to r/startrek with 600,000 people.

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[–] LibraryLass@startrek.website 48 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

I cannot speak to the internal decisions of /r/StarTrek, but I can speak to /r/DaystromInstitute's decisions.

As of yesterday, noncompliant moderation teams are under threat from /u/Spez and his lackeys. We reached the decision to reopen, in a limited capacity, to prevent the community from facing a hostile takeover by those who do not properly appreciate its use or its value, and to hopefully funnel traffic here, and we intend that soon those will be the only purposes of the subreddit. In coordinating this move I trust my collagues on the other subs to act in the best interests of the community first, this instance second, and the profiteering bastards last.

[–] lemmy@acqrs.co.uk 6 points 2 years ago

Man, what a shit situation for the mods. Either open or you get removed and it opens anyway.

[–] Cantstopthesignal@lemmynsfw.com 46 points 2 years ago (3 children)

I can't believe the negativity coming from the /r/startrek community regarding the blackout and the idea of switching to Lemmy. Forging a new brighter future free of corporate control should fit into the Star Trek ideals of every fan.

[–] klinkertinlegs@startrek.website 19 points 2 years ago

I mean, Lemmy if FEDERATED. If that's not Star Trek, idk what is.

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[–] GuyFleegman@startrek.website 42 points 2 years ago (27 children)

Nobody Goes There Anymore, It’s Too Crowded

Given the option between hanging out with 3,000 Trekkies who are willing to plunge headfirst into a strange new ecosystem and 600,000 Trekkies who find making an account to be an onerous process, I'll take the former, thanks

[–] HidingCat@kbin.social 24 points 2 years ago (3 children)

The irony of being a Trekkie but fearing strange new worlds.

[–] troublecat@sh.itjust.works 13 points 2 years ago

"Starfleet was founded to seek out new life – well, there it sits, waiting!"

[–] NotMyOldRedditName@kbin.social 13 points 2 years ago (2 children)

You'd think they'd all be excited to join this new federation

[–] GuyFleegman@startrek.website 16 points 2 years ago (3 children)

Cut 'em some slack, they're probably just big fans of that famous Trekkie catchphrase "diversity, who needs it? one combination is enough for me!"

[–] restingcarcass@lemmy.world 18 points 2 years ago

I mean it's right there in the intro monologue: "to timidly stay where everyone has already been"

[–] Maho@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 points 2 years ago

Limited diversity in limited combinations.

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[–] samus12345@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago

Turns out they were really into Star Trek for the Ferengi.

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[–] NuPNuA@lemm.ee 11 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Honestly, coming over to Lemmy and the communities all being smaller has been a nice breather to how much noise there is on Reddit these days.

[–] Corgana@startrek.website 11 points 2 years ago (5 children)

As a former mod at /r/StarTrek, let me tell you there is so much more noise than the average user even saw.

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[–] Corgana@startrek.website 9 points 2 years ago

Startrek.website doesn't even have email verification turned on, it's literally fewer steps than it is to make a reddit account.

[–] scrubbles@poptalk.scrubbles.tech 8 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Not even "it's too confusing" or "I can't find things" (both viable excuses right now but being actively worked on) but Signing up for an account is too hard.

In today's world of literally an email and a password, and most browsers/password mangers will suggest and autofill and save... I just can't even.

Fine, stay there and absorb ads and promoted shit to your hearts content. Not saying the bar for entry should be high, but goddamn maybe we don't need the ones who can't be bothered to create an account.

[–] Liontigerwings@kbin.social 5 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Let me walk you through my process. Go to join-lemmy and then realize I can't just join Lemmy, I need to choose a server. So now why go to one place over another. I picked one initially that I didn't like and apparently isn't a big one. Then I try beehaw. Beehaw tells me I need to wait to be approved but I can't even tell if my application went through. Still to this day I am not 100 percent sure if it went through.

Then I joinn sh.itjust.works and hey, great name. Shit just worked. From there it's not terrible to figure things out but you quickly realize that Lemmy has some rough edges that are obviously going to be a barrier for the masses. Combine that with the fact that the communities simply aren't quite there yet and it just makes sense. Lemmy is a great start with a ton of potential but I can't fault the average user for not being ready to make the jump.

and that's what I mean with the actual flaws that need working out, those are valid.

But the person in the comment was just complaining about needing a new account period. That's nuts to me.

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[–] Nmyownworld@startrek.website 33 points 2 years ago (1 children)

When r/startrek went dark, thought at the time to be forever, I came here. I wasn't looking for a new reddit. I was looking for a new home to talk with other Star Trek fans. And, that is here. Now that r/startrek is back open, I'm still staying here. I like it here. I don't see a need for an us versus them showdown. How many r/startrek accounts there are isn't important to me. How active is c/startrek is important to me. And, I think c/startrek is doing well. With more Star Trek fans finding their way here.

Do I think c/startrek is sustainable and will continue to grow? Yes. Because Star Trek fans tend to love interacting with other Star Trek fans, and with those new to Star Trek. I have my doubts about there being an all out rush back to r/startrek because the initial reason for leaving wasn't a temporary oopsie, like a technical issue. It was, for me and likely others, because of Huffman's actions and reactions. That was an eye-opener.

I think on some level many people know that they are just commodities to for profit social medias. The end goal is to gather valuable data, and concentrate eyes on certain spots to sell ads. Monetization. There's a facade in place. I think problems arise when that facade is frayed and torn. For me, Reddit's facade is shredded.

I like that here the main goal isn't to target me with ads. And, I'm thoroughly enjoying the interactions here. Yes, there's a lot to Lemmy I haven't learned. Truth be told, I may never learn all or even most about it. However, it only took me a few minutes to figure out the most important things to me on c/startrek -- how to read and make comments.

Reddit is gonna Reddit. LLAP, c/startrek.

[–] NVariable@startrek.website 12 points 2 years ago

It is incredibly refreshing to not be inundated with ads. Reddit absorbed all the web 1.0 communities one-by-one, then changed just slowly enough to boil the frog. The recent changes went overboard, rushing for the ipo. They showed their real hand. I won’t be going back.

But at the same time, I don’t begrudge anyone who wants to stay there. Hopefully, they’ll find their way here, but if not I wish them all the best.

[–] blevok@startrek.website 26 points 2 years ago (3 children)

This was just the dress rehearsal, it seems like people forgot that. The protest isn't the event, the policy changes are the event. The protest was just to let them know that the users do care about the impending policy changes. When those changes take effect, lots of people are going to discover that the app they use to browse reddit doesn't work anymore. Some will install the official [cr]app and go on with their lives, but some won't. It won't be a mortal wound, but a lot of users will be lost at that moment. That's when a wave of users looking for a new permanent home will arrive. Since Lemmy has been mentioned all over reddit, and in articles about the reddit drama, a lot of the trekkies among them will end up here. All we have to do is wait. Lemmy may not be the site/network with the biggest trek presence (yet), but i'm confident it will grow to a healthy size in short order.

[–] chris@lemmy.peanuthamper.io 8 points 2 years ago

It's also worth mentioning that there are users, such as myself, who want to set up their own instances and play with the technology. The stats of what you see for user volume and using that as a metric to determine engagement is pre-federation thinking (both literally and figuratively). More numbers = more safety in a false scarcity environment right?

Anyhow, this site is federated and it's not alone. I'm excited to be here.

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[–] astroturds@startrek.website 25 points 2 years ago (1 children)

More people probably will stay on Reddit, but I like startrek.website so much I joined the patreon which I've never done for anything before.

Lemmy is new and a bit confusing to start with but I really like it. It aligns with my morals and techie side much more than Reddit ever could.

I checked r/startrek last night at was a bit shocked at the hate the mods were recieving for doing what I consider to be morally correct. To each their own I suppose!

[–] samus12345@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago (13 children)

The people still using reddit are the ones that don't gaf about morals. It's better that they stay there.

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[–] dorsal4641@infosec.pub 23 points 2 years ago (3 children)

This place is definitely not dead. Quite lively, in fact. I'm not sure why there being a bigger star trek community somewhere means that this one would be useless

[–] aufsichtsrat@startrek.website 6 points 2 years ago

That is true. You got start somewhere.

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[–] Jdreben@startrek.website 21 points 2 years ago (1 children)

You know what day it is?

A good day (for Reddit) to die.

[–] flint5436@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago
[–] ryan@the.coolest.zone 19 points 2 years ago

There will likely be another influx when 3rd party apps die, and further trickling in if more and more moderators hang up the towel and reddit becomes more unmanageable with spam. It is difficult to migrate a whole community at once but I'm sure it will happen slowly, as more people become used to the concept of federation (you would think r/startrek would understand this "federation" though).

[–] emmanuel@startrek.website 18 points 2 years ago

I left Reddit a few months ago and I missed deeply r/StarTrek, so I certainly hope !startrek@startrek.website will not die !

[–] letThemPlay@lemmy.one 18 points 2 years ago

Well I'm not going back to Reddit after everything they have pulled, I'm hoping other people also feel the same way.

[–] DoucheAsaurus@kbin.social 16 points 2 years ago

Die? I just found this place!

Let's fucking engaaaaaage

[–] Commod0re@startrek.website 13 points 2 years ago

Well I’m not going back to reddit even if this place fizzles out. Reddit has become way too corporate

[–] fenfalca@lemmy.one 11 points 2 years ago

The only way I'd go back to reddit at all is if they entirely walk back their new API rules and if Spez steps down.

[–] DeceptiKHAAAN@startrek.website 11 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

I first joined r/startrek over 12 years ago when it was about 3000 subscribers. I had a lot of fun. Every post could be seen and not drowned out. No troll issues. Those early days were really nice.

[–] FormerGameDev@midwest.social 10 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I'm here, and as long as this community keeps going, I think I probably will remain. Especially since my login is through a community that I am trying to actively participate in growth of.

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[–] ValueSubtracted@startrek.website 7 points 2 years ago (3 children)

That's rather up to us, isn't it?

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[–] Holzkohlen@feddit.de 7 points 2 years ago

It's going about as expected. Mastodon experienced many waves of new users coming in. A lot of them don't stay, but at lot do. I expect the same thing to happen here.

[–] StillPaisleyCat@startrek.website 7 points 2 years ago (2 children)

@Nmyownworld, I’m still not able to reply to a reply with Mlem, I’d like to say the same - for me it’s been about trying to find a new place to have conversations in a board that’s diverse, well moderated and values keeping a balance of different perspectives that don’t shout down others.

Being in a conversation with hund of thousands isn’t my main goal. Being in a place where fans of diverse demographics and perspectives can respectfully interact is.

Us vs them, lack of openness to other perspectives seems to have always been where Star Trek fandom falls apart, going back to the early mimeod fanzines. I’m glad you flagged that in your comment.

I’ve been finding the conversations in the fandom increasingly challenging to join into, and had been wondering where I should continue to participate or not. (“The cancel this to give us that because all true fans want what I want!” demands in less well moderated social media have been accelerating.)

Star Trek wasn’t what drew me to Reddit as much as I have enjoyed the conversations there. I wonder where I will be able to have conversations about other hobbies or my local community. So, being motivated to join Lemmy and look around for those from a safe home base is a gift.

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[–] Fixzylicious@startrek.website 6 points 2 years ago (5 children)

I’ve been visiting Reddit since 2006 and had an account there for nearly 17 years. I remember it before subreddits were a thing. It was for tech nerds and other associated weirdos before entering a genuinely charming period for a few years, but those days are long in the past. I’d rather try out something new with a smaller group of interesting people who are also into trying new things, and I hope this site is able to keep chugging along regardless of whatever is happening at Reddit.

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[–] T156@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago

It's only been about a week. It'll take time to grow the community, and to find out if it's dead or not.

But for your part, posting frequently should help keep it alive until it gains more users.

[–] MargotRobbie@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago

As long as there's people contributing quality contents and discussions, this place won't die, although the culture will start diverging from the subreddits.

[–] CMLVI@kbin.social 5 points 2 years ago (2 children)

The change hasn't even gone into effect yet. Let people deal with the ads and shittiness that is the official app. They'll be looking for alternatives.

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[–] blaine@kbin.social 5 points 2 years ago

I deleted my Reddit account during the blackout, so I had no idea the subs had reopened until I saw this post. I made the move for good - no going back. So hopefully there are enough folks here to keep things engaging! Judging by the three pages of comments on this post, I'd say there are!

[–] Someology@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago

I've been enjoying this site for the past 4 days. Only time will tell.

[–] atlasraven31@lemm.ee 5 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

"I see no incentive for people to come to this website now " Well, you are free from any more corporate BS here and back on Reddit you are in the same precarious situation that you were in before. If you go back, you will have to compromise.

[–] GONADS125@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I'm totally out of my element as far as this community goes and wondered in here from sorting by all, but I won't be going back to reddit for the reasons you said and then some.

It seems to me enough of the core/healthy users and mods have had enough that the site is going to devolve into a cesspool of hate, bots/spam, circlejerks, and more hate.

It's the core subreddit members who drive significant portions of content that are leaving. It's the users who actually go out of their way to report off-topic/rule-breaking content. The ones who always check for/report dropship scammers. These are the users getting fed up and leaving.

It's the unhealthy users who are going to stay. The kind of mindless drones who upvote content regardless of whether it's in the appropriate thread. I've witnessed an alarming trend over the years of anti-intellectualism and hypersensitivity mixed with aggression spreading on reddit. The site is already going down the drain.

Now the mods are about to lose most of their tools (from 3rd party apps of course!) and are being removed by the reddit admin to reopen subs. Many mods are maliciously noncomplying. Some talk about just not moderating their comunities at all anymore. When the mods leave in droves (which is already happening) is when we'll start to see reddit deteriorate more.

Reddit itself isn't going anywhere, and neither is most of their userbase. But their quality is going to plummet. Regardless, I'm happier here even if our communities are smaller for a while. That will just make them more close-knit.

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