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[-] SunriseParabellum@hexbear.net 83 points 1 year ago

who gets to decide what is acceptable

Jesus this is such a thought terminating cliche. Who gets to decide fucking anything? Who decided murder should be illegal? Who decided dumping toxic waste into reservoirs? Who decided I can't whip my dick out at Taco Bell?

[-] corgiwithalaptop@hexbear.net 47 points 1 year ago

Who decided I can't whip my dick out at Taco Bell?

If you live in America and only in America, its a free country! You can do anything you want! A land of opportunity!

[-] SunriseParabellum@hexbear.net 45 points 1 year ago

Hell yeah! Going to Taco Bell right now!

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[-] Nakoichi@hexbear.net 22 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

God dammit this reminded me of this song lol

Specifically the "laying my dick on the table" line.

[-] Philosoraptor@hexbear.net 23 points 1 year ago

It's also just such a leap from what that question ought to imply which is "this is a hard problem, power like that is ripe for abuse, and so we should think carefully about how to implement something like this." Instead, the suggestion is that just asking the question "who decides" should constitute an argument for "nobody, because it's too hard to even try." I absolutely loathe this all-too-common attitude of thinking that social organization problems are hard, and therefore we should never try to improve anything under any circumstances.

[-] UlyssesT@hexbear.net 17 points 1 year ago

Jesus this is such a thought terminating cliche. Who gets to decide fucking anything? Who decided murder should be illegal? Who decided dumping toxic waste into reservoirs? Who decided I can't whip my dick out at Taco Bell?

It's all dressed up and fancy "DON'T TELL ME WHAT TO DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO" thinking.

[-] Magician@hexbear.net 54 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

What a fucking coward.

These libs are the folks who say that they'd stand up to the nazis if they were in 1940s. They won't even fight back against nazis on an internet forum.

I mean scratch a liberal and you'll see why.

[-] Adkml@hexbear.net 25 points 1 year ago

I mean theyve spent the last week defending ss members in 2023.

[-] HumanBehaviorByBjork@hexbear.net 53 points 1 year ago

"the problem with moderation is that someone has to do the moderating" we got a fuckin genius over here folks

[-] UlyssesT@hexbear.net 36 points 1 year ago

"Because something has arbitrary and difficult characteristics and the goal is continuous, it's best not to even try lol" ![galaxy-brain](https://www.hexbear.net/pictrs/image/fa05d4fe-f163-40e0-a03d-912cd48096ad.png "emoji galaxy-brain")

[-] LeninWeave@hexbear.net 17 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

"The problem with reducing poverty is what if there are still poor people? Huh? Have you thought about that, liberal?"

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[-] QuillcrestFalconer@hexbear.net 22 points 1 year ago

The problem with laws is someone has to enforce it. No more laws

[-] HumanBehaviorByBjork@hexbear.net 12 points 1 year ago

okay wait you got a point there

[-] uralsolo@hexbear.net 51 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

a small group of people or single person deciding what's acceptable

Agreed that that's a problem in bourgeois democracy, but a proper Whole-Process People's Democracy would have the masses involved at every step of appointing representatives, forming the censorship beureau, and constantly updating and revising the rules. Believing that this process can't be democratic smacks of capitalist realism.

[-] MF_COOM@hexbear.net 47 points 1 year ago

The thing is none of these fucking libs actually believe in free speech, they're just too dumb to realize it.

1000% chance they believe in laws against insider trading, false advertising, perjury, death threats, sedition, leaking classified intelligence, libel and copyright violation.

[-] ProxyTheAwesome@hexbear.net 33 points 1 year ago

they all wanted to de-fed from us for being "pro-Russia"

Many of them did

"Free Speech" my ass, they like pedophiles more than they like communists

[-] UlyssesT@hexbear.net 23 points 1 year ago

laws against insider trading, false advertising, perjury, death threats, sedition, leaking classified intelligence, libel and copyright violation

With exceptions for Adults In The Room that Make Hard Decisions to Get Shit Done like in their treats. ![so-true](https://www.hexbear.net/pictrs/image/16aee6ba-56ea-4262-855c-6ab37636b08a.png "emoji so-true")

[-] ReadFanon@hexbear.net 46 points 1 year ago

CW: murder, CSE, abuse

Libel, slander, false advertising, blackmail, scamming, identity theft, death threats, terrorist threats, fraud, unregulated claims regarding health or nutrition, perjury, extortion, child grooming, verbal abuse, (I know this one probably doesn't apply to you Nakoichi but...) treason.

Show me a true believer in free speech absolutism and I'll show you a hypocrite.

The only person who would be okay with this stuff is either a blind ideologue or someone who wants get away with doing this stuff themselves.

[-] Llituro@hexbear.net 42 points 1 year ago

goddammit, it really always comes down to "how do you know bad things are bad actually??? that's what i thought, tankie fascist" ![very-intelligent](https://www.hexbear.net/pictrs/image/611ff2af-7866-4241-91bc-b19c67cc1f4e.png "emoji very-intelligent")

[-] BelieveRevolt@hexbear.net 39 points 1 year ago

Why do these ![freeze-peach](https://www.hexbear.net/pictrs/image/2e218d49-4c3f-484f-b9fd-eeee92d43af3.png "emoji freeze-peach") dipshits always say it's bad when Nazis are forced into echo chambers? Seems pretty obvious that when they were on their own pathetic sites like Stormfront (original, not ![reddit-logo](https://www.hexbear.net/pictrs/image/4aac8007-876f-4c7f-936d-b7eabf506ef4.png "emoji reddit-logo")), there were a hell of a lot fewer Nazis around. It's when they got onto more widespread spaces like 4chan and Reddit thanks to lax moderation and muh peach freedom we saw a marked increase in Nazis because they were able to actively recruit.

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[-] UlyssesT@hexbear.net 38 points 1 year ago

you can always find people who agree with you

Where can you find nazis and pedos agreeing with nazis and pedos? ![honk](https://www.hexbear.net/pictrs/image/18054f15-3bc9-4d87-aa1f-409cc33fc77b.png "emoji honk")

Where can you find nazis and pedos agreeing with nazis and pedos? ![big-honk](https://www.hexbear.net/pictrs/image/596ad69e-19fa-48d1-bba0-0075644340f3.png "emoji big-honk")

[-] HornyOnMain@hexbear.net 20 points 1 year ago

Lemmy.world

[-] Nakoichi@hexbear.net 37 points 1 year ago

@flashgnash@lemm.ee come on in here and defend your bullshit in your precious free marketplace of ideas. Stop addressing the other people that are being more generous than you deserve show your ass.

[-] corgiwithalaptop@hexbear.net 37 points 1 year ago
[-] Nakoichi@hexbear.net 32 points 1 year ago

oops forgot to post the link it's there now, this person deserves to be bullied.

[-] nightshade@hexbear.net 35 points 1 year ago

small group of people deciding what's acceptable

In a community that refuses to do anything about Nazis, that small group of people is the Nazis. There's a reason that nobody with the barest minimum of compassion can be found in any communities that allow them. Freedom to express yourself as a minority does not meaningfully exist if you're likely to encounter genocidal rhetoric in response.

In the 1950s, these same people would be saying that segregation isn't oppressive because it counts as the exercise of voluntary association.

[-] iridaniotter@hexbear.net 35 points 1 year ago

There is no slippery slope. You can actually quite easily define what is and isn't acceptable speech. When there's an edge case, simply debate and edit the law for next time. Don't these nerds like democracy and the rule of law??

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[-] NeelixBiederman@hexbear.net 34 points 1 year ago

We already had multiple supreme court cases about this. There's several memorable phrases related to it. "you know it when you see it". "Fire in a crowded theater". They threw ![debs](https://www.hexbear.net/pictrs/image/be75b6a5-3ff5-4c0c-829f-ef5f271da00f.png "emoji debs") in jail for protesting WWI. America has never had true free speech for all, it's always free until you have enough influence to affect the levers of power

[-] Kuori@hexbear.net 33 points 1 year ago

![geordi-no](https://www.hexbear.net/pictrs/image/f0a86f4c-1ffa-4c96-b42e-fc3b0156c7b1.png "emoji geordi-no") "nazis and pedos should be silenced"

![geordi-yes](https://www.hexbear.net/pictrs/image/b0e81aa4-1969-4195-a306-2180d506c066.png "emoji geordi-yes") "nazis and pedos should be shot"

[-] ShareThatBread@hexbear.net 27 points 1 year ago

How about we compromise? Nazis and pedos should be shot with a silencer

[-] Kuori@hexbear.net 20 points 1 year ago

as a centrist, i can get behind this kind of bipartisanship ![solidarity](https://www.hexbear.net/pictrs/image/21cec127-9d8d-4b1b-8073-52933d3b5a33.png "emoji solidarity")

[-] came_apart_at_Kmart@hexbear.net 24 points 1 year ago

yeah, definitely we should just do the current system where you can say whatever you want, so long as you have a billionaire patron to platform you and ensure the state protects you from any consequences.

the free speech absolutist weirdos remind me of the bit in the yellow parenti lecture where he mockingly complains about the insistence on perfection for socialist state projects.... "what about civil rights for the fascists? why won't the revolution let them have their newspapers?" because that is 100% really what these people want. socialists are deplatformed as a rule and experience retaliation in the workplace constantly. state constitutions have rules about communists being allowed to be civil servants. somehow none of that rises to the level of criticism.

but stopping a rich white psychopath from trying to incite violence against marginalized people by claiming they are subhuman is somehow the literal destruction of a soul's right to breathe and the first step of government overreach.

[-] macabrett@hexbear.net 24 points 1 year ago

who gets to decide whats acceptable and whats not

me mf

![stalin-gun-1](https://www.hexbear.net/pictrs/image/7e9ef62d-28a8-4cb8-b3c6-11eea30a36b0.png "emoji stalin-gun-1")![stalin-gun-2](https://www.hexbear.net/pictrs/image/64996d03-2801-4764-b12a-8e1899c67c9a.png "emoji stalin-gun-2")

[-] UlyssesT@hexbear.net 23 points 1 year ago

That entire reply has massive "DON'T TELL ME WHAT TO DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO" ![brainworms](https://www.hexbear.net/pictrs/image/99832a04-92c8-4765-9a52-aecd28086cef.png "emoji brainworms") and of course the conclusion to "something is difficult and ambiguous" is "therefore do nothing and Get Schwifty" ![galaxy-brain](https://www.hexbear.net/pictrs/image/fa05d4fe-f163-40e0-a03d-912cd48096ad.png "emoji galaxy-brain")

[-] BlueMagaChud@hexbear.net 20 points 1 year ago

yes, the red terror is a never ending battle, long live the red terror

[-] the_post_of_tom_joad@hexbear.net 19 points 1 year ago

Wow, looked at his history and he's super active. Thanks, blocking him should make the fediverse a smarter place

[-] anticlockwise@hexbear.net 16 points 1 year ago

Who gets to decide what's acceptable?

We do: a vanguard of Hexbear posters get to decide what's acceptable discourse; to think that it's only the forum that's being actively moderated is to completely misunderstand the dynamics of modern cultural power

[-] aaaaaaadjsf@hexbear.net 16 points 1 year ago

South Africa and Brazil have anti hate speech laws and they seem to work well when someone is actually caught being a hateful bastard.

[-] MineDayOff@hexbear.net 15 points 1 year ago
[-] emizeko@hexbear.net 15 points 1 year ago

The question of “free press” and “free speech” is not separable from the question of the dictatorship of the bourgeoisie versus the dictatorship of the proletariat. The idea of “political plurality” as such turns out to be the negation of the possibility of achieving any kind of truth in the realm of politics, it reduces all historical and value claims to the rank of mere opinion. And of course, so long as someone’s political convictions are mere opinion, they won’t rise to defend them. And so the liberal state remains the dictatorial organ of the bourgeoisie, with roads being built or legislation being passed only as commanded by the interests of capital, completely disregarding the interests of workers. Under regimes where political plurality is falsely upheld as a supreme virtue, the very notion of asserting oneself as possessing a truth appears aggressive and “authoritarian.”

from https://redsails.org/brainwashing/

[-] Awoo@hexbear.net 15 points 1 year ago

Since we've never had ratings boards for movies or television that get to decide what is acceptable and what is not we could never figure it out for the internet. Children are just allowed to buy and watch and be influenced by whatever.

Would it be perfect? Nah. Would it be better than nothing? Absolutely yes.

[-] GrouchyGrouse@hexbear.net 14 points 1 year ago

If children can't give consent then pedos don't get to object when I tell them to shut the fuck up. Goddamn this is not a hard concept.

[-] PM_ME_YOUR_FOUCAULTS@hexbear.net 13 points 1 year ago

Pretty sure you just posted this because of how hard you dunked them, but I'm here for it ![fidel-balling](https://www.hexbear.net/pictrs/image/274afbef-3094-4758-aafd-2f98e534b44e.png "emoji fidel-balling")

[-] Nakoichi@hexbear.net 16 points 1 year ago

You're not wrong but I felt like everyone else deserved an opportunity to shit on this person.

[-] UlyssesT@hexbear.net 14 points 1 year ago
[-] sooper_dooper_roofer@hexbear.net 13 points 1 year ago

Nazis should be killed

And people who are dumb enough to defend nazis should be put into laogai

flashgnash belongs in laogai

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[-] zephyreks@hexbear.net 11 points 1 year ago

Surely doing something about pedophiles and Nazis is better than doing nothing? Right? Right?

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