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If you say you'd pay for a search engine. Oof. Guys we used to just link useful things at the end of our blog posts and on our myspace pages. Then search engines came in and we didn't have to. Then they killed the SEO placement of blogs. Now you can't find anything useful unless you try their AI. The whole business model is convincing us we need them while they make the internet less efficient to scroll through.
... do you think MySpace came before search engines?
Replace Myspace with Geocities and it's broadly correct of my experience in 90s internet.
There were a ton of search engines in the 90s around the same time Geocities was released. AskJeeves was probably the most popular, but there was Altavista, Lycos, Dogpile, Yahoo... Shit, Google came out in 97, which was only a few years after Geocities.
When I had my Geocities website, I used Webcrawler as my preferred search engine. Cute spider and spiderweb iso/logo. Then came Altavista (altavista.digital.com, it was at first) and I switched. It brought more and better results. Somehow I never liked Lycos. And Yahoo, the first years, was a categorised catalogue/guide, kinda curated, and you had to submit a site to be considered to be added. You had to choose under which category (and subcategory, quite often) it should be listed. Also, at first, it wasn't Yahoo.com, it was buried in some .edu (or .ac, I don't quite recall) URL.
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You just dated the hell out of yourself, but also showed how young you are at the same time.
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Google is not a search engine. It's an advertising service. Their whole business model revolves around a critical mass of eyeballs, which flock to free services. This will never happen for the average user.
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Pretty much https://kagi.com/ but outrageous
Isn’t their pricing per month not per query?
$5 for 300 queries. $10 unlimited.
They only changed that about a week ago, it used to be $10/1000 queries. Not that I'm complaining - I'm on that tier!
Yeah. i have seen I think in their FAQ that plan and confused me a bit. Moving from DDG to Kagi
The cheapest plan also has query limits.
How is it outrageous to pay for a product? There are obvious reasons and benefits. Go use a free one then. No need to bash a good product because you don’t want it.
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Kagi is like google was 10 years ago though, useable and useful, while Google has morphed an SEO trashcan. I wouldn't pay them any amount for current quality
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Actual Internet funeral
I'm not sure you you understand how Google makes money...which would tell you why this would never happen.
I thought I understood how Twitter made money
I think you understood, but Elon didn't 🤣
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This is literally how their search API works. Except the limit is more like 25 queries a day and the price would be closer to $40/mo for average user's usage.
Just to clarify. The API pricing is 100 requests per day for free and $5 for every 1000 requests over that. But, the API is limited to 10 items per request. Their own UI provides up to 100 results per page (the setting seems to be hidden now, but is still active for users who set it before), which would require multiple requests to match, plus an image and/or video carousels each of which require an additional query, opening images tab preloads 50 images just to fill the screen, which is 4 more requests minimum for any image search, and, given how clicking each image also loads a bunch of related images, the estimate of 4 requests per search is very conservative. I use search on average about 80 times a day, and, doing the math, it would cost me on average $33.48 per month to do my searches using their API instead of using the free and unlimited official UI. This is ridiculous. And then twitter and reddit did exactly the same thing, too.
DuckDuckGo is not really much better. And it uses Bing as a backend. Gone are the days of reliable search engines.
Or DuckDuckGo, ecosia, bing, askjeeves, nexislexis, Qwant, altavista…
altavista
wow, I had no idea it still existed! I don't think I've used it since it was altavista.digital.com
edit: it doesn't, it's just yahoo search now
I thought the same about askjeeves, can’t believe it made it this long
Damn! This talk of forgotten search engines made me realise that dogpile.com is still alive! I dimly recall using it before Google's rise to power.
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I've recently started paying for unlimited searches over on Kagi, and I'm very happy with the results so far. I'd gladly pay if it meant less search cruft and higher result quality, but sadly Google's just been going downhill for quite a while now.
Its a big black box with an unquantifiable improvement in quality, and I have no particular inclination to sign of for yet another subscription service. Particularly when I already watch my existing services creep up in price year after year.
That's before I even get into shit like standard utilities. My electricity bill last month was $500, almost entirely based on the Texas AC bill. Bro, who has another $10/mo to spend on Newoogle when I'm maxed out just keeping the lights on?
Electric companies need to be taken to task it's getting stupid. Every year they whine about how the infrastructure can't handle our load and tell us to sweat it out during the hottest part of the day. Then, they raise the prices with the excuse of fixing it all and never do. It's fucking criminal
Electric companies need to be taken to task it’s getting stupid.
They'll never be taken to task, because the profits they generate go back into the political system that made them into a cartel to begin with. And efforts to break up the cartel often result in an increased dedication to organizing and opposing anti-trust practices. Its a system that Nassim Taleb might describe as "anti-fragile".
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Fucking do it, I dare you.
bro did you make that meme?
wait, what? is Google actually a paid service now or is this a meme./?
Is a meme. Google would kill their business model if they did this. Their whole model is to collect data from user searches and then make money off it.
I'm pretty sure they get more money from people freely giving them data using a lot of their services (maps, search) than they'd get if they gatekept searching with a, subscription that people opted out of.
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it will be when it gets bought by Musk
Genius!
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