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[–] andthenthreemore@startrek.website 98 points 1 year ago (2 children)

It's because people want to imagine themselves as a hero, engaging in one on one combat. A knight or samurai.

They don't want to imagine themselves as a barely trained serf in a block with 30 other people holding 3m long pikes trying not to shit yourself as arrows start to rain down.

[–] LemmysMum@lemmy.world 23 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Shit, even in one on one martial combat, give me range and I'll take it. Knife < Sword < Spear < Bow

[–] deeznutz@lemmy.dbzer0.com 17 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Knife < sword < spear < bow < trebuchet

[–] cows_are_underrated@feddit.de 10 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Knife < sword < spear < bow < crossbow < trebuchet

[–] FooBarrington@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Knife < sword < spear < bow < crossbow < trebuchet < arbalists thrown by trebuchets

[–] RIP_Cheems@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Knife < sword < spear < bow < crossbow < trebuchet < arbalists thrown by trebuchets < napalm thrown by trebuchets

[–] blackluster117@possumpat.io 1 points 1 year ago

Knife < sword < spear < bow < crossbow < WA 2000 < trebuchet

[–] Squirrel@thelemmy.club 1 points 1 year ago

The most elegant weapon.

[–] Umbrias@beehaw.org 6 points 1 year ago

By the time of 3m pikes most infantry would be receiving pretty decent training.

[–] c0mbatbag3l@lemmy.world 78 points 1 year ago (3 children)

It was only folded so many times because the ore on Honshu is pretty low grade and had to have the carbon worked out of it more than European steel.

[–] Track_Shovel@slrpnk.net 43 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Wait, you mean it's not because it gives me the ability to part steel plate in a single slash?

[–] c0mbatbag3l@lemmy.world 34 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You only get that when you fold it 69 times.

[–] DmMacniel@feddit.de 12 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] abcd@feddit.de 6 points 1 year ago
[–] misterundercoat@lemmy.world 26 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Wow you must be a novice if you still need to slash. A true bushido master can cut steel without unsheathing the blade.

[–] Sigh_Bafanada@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago

As I understand it, it wasn't to work the carbon out of it, but instead to simply evenly spread the impurities throughout the whole sword, so there weren't any specific points of weakness

[–] doctorcrimson@lemmy.today 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Obligatory "It wasn't folded 1000 times, it was folded 11 times giving it more than a thousand folds." Fun fact, the older traditional Japanese forges were basically assembled from mud found right there on the rivers where they found their low grade iron, and this process was kept alive by spiritualism and tradition conservatives, so it's honestly a miracle they assembled anything long and sharp at all. Most of the iron in Japan is considered low grade Pyrite at only 46% iron, while other places in the world had access to Magnetite with up to 72% iron before any refining.

[–] rockerface@lemm.ee 60 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Long stick > any other melee weapon

[–] Narrrz@kbin.social 68 points 1 year ago (2 children)

the bow and arrow is just a logical extension of mankind's desire to poke each other at ever longer range.

[–] rockerface@lemm.ee 51 points 1 year ago

The natural wish to poke but not get poked back

[–] TimeSquirrel@kbin.social 20 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

rock->spear->bow and arrow->cannon->handheld cannon->auto-repeating handheld cannon->howitzer->ICBM->Predator drone

[–] Shurimal@kbin.social 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

->relativistic kill vehicle.

You see it coming, omae wa mou shindeiru.

Only thing more scary would be triggering a vacuum decay event. But these tend to backfire quite spectacularly.

[–] LemmysMum@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Orbital weapons platforms fit in there somewhere.

[–] dingus@lemmy.ml 11 points 1 year ago

Gotta have that reach.

[–] explodicle@local106.com 3 points 1 year ago

Aliens see us as the water balloon planet.

[–] empireOfLove@lemmy.one 43 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

This just in- being able to hurt your enemy from farther away than they can hurt you conveys a large tactical advantage. More at 11.

[–] IHaveTwoCows@lemm.ee 17 points 1 year ago

In a related story, artillery always beats infantry, hence David and Goliath. More at 11

[–] workerONE@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I think a shield and sword together are better than a spear https://youtu.be/uLLv8E2pWdk?si=vXiyUTTnSbIq-vC8

[–] lud@lemm.ee 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Wait until you hear about Spears with shields.

[–] RaivoKulli@sopuli.xyz 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] lud@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago

Ancient Greek and Rome used them quite a lot, as I know.

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[–] norgur@discuss.tchncs.de 40 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Even for all who had swords, their primary assault weapon was usually some form of pointy murder stick, usually handheld and horse-propelled

[–] Tankton@lemm.ee 12 points 1 year ago

The sword is the pistol of ancient times whereas the sprear is the assault rifle.

[–] yaminoEXE@ttrpg.network 33 points 1 year ago

Chinese Soldiers: “What if we put a sword on a stick and call it a day?”

[–] Andrew15_5@mander.xyz 10 points 1 year ago (2 children)

It isn't folded 1000 times, only about 10 times.

[–] GorgeousWalrus@feddit.de 37 points 1 year ago (1 children)

In fairness, this would give you 1024 layers ;)

[–] Andrew15_5@mander.xyz 1 points 1 year ago

That's the point. The number of layers is over 1000.

[–] Track_Shovel@slrpnk.net 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Sir, your fedora is showing

But really, its a sword not noodles (which are folded when made by hand)

[–] SkyezOpen@lemmy.world 18 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Superior Japanese noodles, folded over 1000 times.

[–] IHaveTwoCows@lemm.ee 3 points 1 year ago

I have been amazed to learn how many Asian noodles there really are, and how different they are.

[–] SocialMediaRefugee@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You need to arm 100 guys? 100 spears is a lot cheaper and easier to train than 100 swords.

[–] bi_tux@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] misterundercoat@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago

That dude from the Office?

[–] Szwajcer@discuss.tchncs.de 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Present in very many cultures as well. Be it called yari, ji, iklwa or sarissa they are all long pokey sticks.

[–] Jumi@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Sharpening a stick regardless of length is probably one of the easiest ways to get a weapon

[–] altima_neo@lemmy.zip 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] Track_Shovel@slrpnk.net 1 points 1 year ago
[–] flashgnash@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago

Spears are way harder to make a cool spectacle in fantasy though

Kinda reminds me of that scene in Indiana Jones where the guy is doing a load of flashy movements with his sword and he just gets shot in the face

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