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submitted 1 year ago by cron@feddit.de to c/linux_gaming@lemmy.ml

The YouTube channel "Maximum Fury" conducted a technical test of the new Cyberpunk add-on called "Phantom Liberty" on an older AMD hardware system, testing it separately on Linux and Windows 11. The Linux system, specifically the Fedora distribution called Nobara, performed significantly better, delivering 31% more frames compared to Windows 11.

The hardware used for testing included an Asrock B550 motherboard with an AMD Ryzen 5 5600 CPU and an AMD Radeon RX 5700 XT GPU from the first RDNA generation, along with 16 GB of DDR4 RAM. The CPU, RAM, and GPU were overclocked, and the system utilized undervolting to save energy costs.

When testing the game at 1080p resolution with high textures, the Linux system achieved an average of 63.72 frames per second (fps), while Windows 11 managed only 48.55 fps. This suggests that the game should run noticeably smoother on the Linux system.

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[-] HuddaBudda@kbin.social 145 points 1 year ago

A 30% increase in performance just might get gamers to switch over to the new operating system.

Hell that is the difference between a better graphics card for some people. It's like getting a free overclock, just for going outside your comfort zone.

[-] yote_zip@pawb.social 107 points 1 year ago

This is a rare and extreme case, which is probably caused by some sort of fluke in the testing method or due to a bug in the game that Linux is handling better. Usually gaming on Linux is like ~5-10% slower for GPU-bound games.

[-] Zeth0s@lemmy.world 39 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

This is likely going to change as software support for gaming on Linux improves.

If you consider real high performance computing, with well optimized libraries that can properly use the hardware (including GPUs), 50 % difference between windows and Linux is not really surprising. This is the reason 100% of real high performance computing is done on Linux. It is a better OS for raw performances than windows. For some tasks we are easily talking over twice the performances. It is not always the case, but not surprising at all.

The differences clearly depend on the actual low level implementation of the code. But in general the current situation in gaming, with windows that competes with Linux on raw performances, is only due to lack of software support for gaming on Linux. As this is changing over time, we'll see games performances greatly improve in Linux. Hopefully until the physiological surpass of windows performances.

Currently most of gaming support on Linux is done via some kind of translation layer, that has itself an overhead. It means that the real linux performance would be even better than in all these benchmarks, if it was really possible to compare 1:1 Windows and Linux with native, well optimized code.

[-] dark_stang@beehaw.org 28 points 1 year ago

This is probably more common than you'd think, at least in my anecdotal experience. Converting directx commands to vulkan commands, especially for AMD GPUs, can result in better and more consistent performance on Linux.

[-] yote_zip@pawb.social 13 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Do you have any numbers or examples of games? I know that it's generally the case that DX9 games often have greater performance through DXVK, but DX11 and DX12 should usually be a little bit slower. Also, CPU-bound games are often faster on Linux in my experience, but it's rare for games to be CPU-bound (MMOs etc).

Additionally, OpenGL and Vulkan should be faster on Linux (Native or WINE+OpenGL/Vulkan), but I don't have as much experience with them.

Edit: I found this video which has a few standout games where Linux pulls ahead even on DX11/DX12. Hopefully that's a sign of future trends.

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[-] Whom@beehaw.org 9 points 1 year ago

Sometimes there are also unimplemented/broken features on Linux which people don't notice and save frames. Legit performance improvements over Windows do happen (especially on memory and cpu-limited systems) but I'd be skeptical of any particularly huge ones.

[-] MonkderZweite@feddit.ch 9 points 1 year ago

Usually gaming on Linux is like ~5-10% slower for GPU-bound games.

Or faster. Depends heavily on the game. Some things wine + dxvk does better.

[-] batmangrundies@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago

Yeah.

I'm personally lucky that my fav titles are CPU hogs, like ARMA 3 and X4: Foundations. Both run better under Linux.

Cyberpunk runs great too, I'm sure once we eventually get the updated drivers for NVIDIA we'll get Ray Recon too.

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[-] cron@feddit.de 26 points 1 year ago

This is just one game with one particular graphics card, this might not be the same for example with nvidia cards.

[-] conciselyverbose@kbin.social 8 points 1 year ago

I'd be surprised if it is.

I can't see anything but something hinky with driver overhead mattering this much.

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[-] Lojcs@lemm.ee 54 points 1 year ago
[-] agent_flounder@lemmy.one 23 points 1 year ago

Ha that hit hard. This is basically the system I just upgraded to. Well at least it'll run the game well.

[-] Lutz69@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago

It's the exact same system I upgraded to a couple months ago except I got 5700 x3d. This system slaps bro I love it.

[-] ______@lemm.ee 10 points 1 year ago

There isn't a single piece of software that I use that makes me think I should upgrade my 5600. Not a single game fully utilizes it (on 1440p res)

Older hardware is fine.

[-] Pantrygheist@programming.dev 13 points 1 year ago

Me with my i7 2600 playing with oblivion level graphics: yeah, older hw is just fine

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[-] greyjedi@lemmy.world 33 points 1 year ago

What are the chances that it's just not rendering something due to the DX12 to Vulkan translation?

[-] Rustmilian@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago

Possible, but looking through the footage it seems everything is being rendered as expected.

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[-] wreleven@lemmy.ca 32 points 1 year ago

Thanks Stadia. No wonder it performed so well.

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[-] Swiggles@lemmy.blahaj.zone 26 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

It is just unfortunate that it does not run on Nvidia hardware. The benchmark runs if you disable all RTX features, but it crashes on a new game before you even have full control of the character.

Looking at protondb it looks like all people with Nvidia have issues since the 2.0 update. I hope there will be some fix soon. I don't want to replace the GPU yet it would be a waste (2080 Super).

For now I am playing it on my Steam Deck instead.

[-] visnudeva@lemmy.ml 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I don't know what you're talking about, It run very well on my Nvidia GPU on Linux before and after the patch and DLC.

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[-] sounddrill@lemmy.antemeridiem.xyz 25 points 1 year ago

Casual vulkan W?

[-] NBJack@reddthat.com 25 points 1 year ago

Windows 11 is trash. Microsoft kept boasting it was "faster" than 10, but it is (unsurprisingly?) heavy in some weird areas, including a less snappy start menu, more telemetry, invasive integration with their software, you name it. Tried one machine in my collection to try it via an upgrade (a Microsoft Surface Pro 6), and the performance was so bad I ended up going back to Windows 10. Multi-second lag just to get to the program shortcuts is a really bad sign.

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[-] hperrin@lemmy.world 24 points 1 year ago

That may be true, but that’s only because Linux is better than Windows.

[-] snekerpimp@lemmy.world 20 points 1 year ago

Now can you make it stop defaulting to controller keybindings on Linux?

[-] Nihil@lemm.ee 19 points 1 year ago

echo '2C45C6: EB' | xxd -r - Cyberpunk2077.exe

In the x64 bin folder

[-] neutron@thelemmy.club 20 points 1 year ago

Source, and what is this command supposed to do? We shouldn't blindly copypaste shell commands from online.

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[-] thefartographer@lemm.ee 14 points 1 year ago

Shut up and look at the more frames. - article author mumbling - God damn ingrates always complaining just because things don't work right... 30% more frames is practically 10% less controller!
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[-] lelgenio@lemmy.ml 12 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Hey that's a similar setup to mine, except I have 6700XT, on ultra settings, worst case scenario I get ~60FPS, on average it's 80

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[-] MonkderZweite@feddit.ch 7 points 1 year ago

By the way, the "rendering at lower resolution and upscaling" thingy, is there a way to force AMD's version on any game in Linux? I want to play Satisfactory and got a 5700G, fat iGPU but only 2GB VRAM.

[-] cron@feddit.de 11 points 1 year ago

Forcing FSR1 is possible (and was even possible before it was on Windows), FSR2 is not.

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[-] JigglySackles@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago

Why does the Nobara benchmark report as Windows 10 pro?

[-] sanpo@sopuli.xyz 16 points 1 year ago

Wine always reports itself as some version of Windows. Mostly, it doesn't really matter.

[-] junezephier@lemmy.sdf.org 14 points 1 year ago

probably from the wine trick it uses or something, no?

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