Trump should be in prison along with all of his co-conspirators. The longer he stays free, the more crimes he commits.
this post was submitted on 28 Sep 2023
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How are death threats legal in the USA?
They're only legal if you're Republican.
Kathy Griffin got blacklisted+investigated for holding up a fake severed Trump head.
https://www.npr.org/2019/04/23/716258113/kathy-griffin-life-after-the-trump-severed-head-controversy
But be a Republican politician making death threats and the DOJ will wrist slap you. It's quite clear the bias our DOJ has always had. Other countries like Canada consider some of our extremists terrorists, and we're still handing them baby sentences for an insurrection.
Didn't Republicans burn Obama effigies?
They laterally erected a gallows outside the capitol on Jan 6th and chanted "hang Mike Pence" while they tried to go inside and get him.
They were openly hoping someone would get ahold of Pelosi or AOC and kill them, too.
Lynch mobs love a lil rape and murder, but yet they cry those crocodile tears over Ashli Babbit,
And hung them, iirc.
Yep
Almost sounds as if threats are punished harder than actual attempts
Almost sounds like the federal security agencies aren't actually too pressed about defeating domestic terrorism.
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It is stochastic terrorism.
It's not a threat, he's just talking about times gone by. /s
As Frank once said, those were the days.
Will no one rid me of this turbulent ~~priest~~ 4-star general?
Thank you. Your reference to Henry II (via Shakespeare) reminds us that people who hold great sway over violent individuals, like a medieval king, a mob boss or Trump, are still responsible for the actions of their followers, even if they express their wishes in slightly oblique terms. Trump's attempts to thinly cloak his wishes are not new or particularly clever. This is how Henry II had Thomas Beckett killed way back in 1170, and I'm sure it was also very common in the ancient world. The law needs to crack down on this mob-boss mentality.
It has a name, too: stochastic terrorism.
It would be really cool if a judge, any judge, would grow a fucking spine and treat Trump like everyone else. Stay the motherfucker, place a gag order, and lock him up until trial, just like every other normal citizen. Fuck this special treatment bullshit.
I am afraid that principles have been largely displaced by politics.
The irony being Trump has committed multiple acts so egregious that, in times gone by, the punishment would have been DEATH!
They always confess in the form of an accusation.
How stupid do you have to be to threaten a 4-star army general?
Well, I guess as stupid as Trump, but still it defies logic.
In a normal world it would be incredibly stupid. In the reality that we're living in, insulting military members, even wounded veterans can appeal to a certain crowd. Even ironically if some of the people in the crowd are military members or wounded veterans. The number one rule when you're in a cult, is that the cult leader is always right.
One has to wonder if Milley was thinking "Yeah? Him and what army"
Well it's not like he's gonna face any consequences from it.
Yet if any other citizen were to make comments like that about a government official, we’d already be locked up. How many lines does he have to cross before somebody will get the balls to throw the book at him?
He could literally shoot someone on 5th Avenue and get away with it.
Y'know what might be an appropriate measure? Prosecute people that stoke or incite violence against our troops
Against any other person really
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Trump threatening military with goons is laughable.
I am certain General Miley knows how to stand his ground.
Standing ground won't help if someone is shooting you from a distance. Or sending you a mail bomb or anthrax. Lots of ways he could be killed, sadly.
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Bit of projection there in Trump's post, eh?
Projection? Funny, I know that as the GOP special.
So, why do they hate him?
Basically in his role as chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff (a council of the different military branches) he called his Chinese counterpart during the election chaos to assure them Trump couldn't unilaterally declare war on China:
Woodward and Costa describe how Milley learned in October 2020 that the Chinese had become concerned that Trump would preemptively attack China because Trump was losing the 2020 election and his rhetoric against China was growing increasingly hostile.
Milley again called his Chinese counterpart on Jan. 8, 2021, two days after the attack on the U.S. Capitol, to again reassure him that the American government was stable and not an immediate threat to China.
That sounds more like the actuoi of someone desperai trying to put out fires whilst Trump was tossing gasoline everywhere
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He didn't try to launch a military coup.
In general or was there a specific Mike Pence situation where he just refused to commit treason?
Reportedly Milley anticipated Trump attempting a coup and actively worked behind the scenes to make sure it wouldn't work.
https://www.cnn.com/2021/07/15/politics/milley-trump-politics-january-6/index.html
Milley was deeply concerned Trump and his allies might attempt a coup after the November 2020 election, and he compared Trump’s lies about election fraud to the rhetoric used by Adolf Hitler as he rose to power in Germany.
“This is a Reichstag moment,” Milley told his aides, according to the book. “The gospel of the Führer.”
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The official acknowledged that during the final weeks of the Trump administration, Milley engaged in activities and communications not part of the traditional portfolio of a Joint Chiefs chairman, carrying a heavier political load to keep Trump in check. While Milley “tried his hardest to actively stay out of politics,” the official said, if the events that occurred brought him into that arena temporarily, “so be it.”“He’s not going to sit in silence while people try to use the military against Americans,” the official said.
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After the election, Trump’s blustery rhetoric turned into action when he fired Esper and installed loyalists at the Pentagon, raising Milley’s fears that Trump or his allies could try to attempt a coup to overturn the election results.According to Leonnig and Rucker, Milley was shaken by the threat of a coup and felt he had to be “on guard” for what might come.
“They may try, but they’re not going to f**king succeed,” Milley told his deputies, according to the authors. “You can’t do this without the military. You can’t do this without the CIA and the FBI. We’re the guys with the guns.”
Milley and the rest of the Joint Chiefs informally planned for what they would do in the event of an order they deemed illegal, dangerous or ill-advised, including a proposal to resign, one-by-one, rather than carry out the orders.
After the January 6 attack, Milley and the entire Joint Chiefs of Staff issued a statement condemning the “sedition and insurrection” of the rioters who breached the Capitol and attacked police officers.
Milley focused his efforts on ensuring there was a “ring of steel” around the city for the January 20 inauguration of President Joe Biden, according to Leonnig and Rucker. “We’re going to put a ring of steel around this city and the Nazis aren’t getting in,” Milley said.
They hate him because he lived up to his oath to defend the Constitution against all enemies, foreign and domestic. They hate him because he's an actual patriot.
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This is the best summary I could come up with:
In an interview on “60 Minutes” on Wednesday, Chairman of the Joint Chiefs Mark Milley said he will take “appropriate measures” to make sure he and his family are safe in the wake of recent comments made by former President Trump.
Milley’s words come after a Truth Social post by Trump last week calling the chairman a “Woke train wreck” and accusing him of treason, seeming to reference calls made by Milley to China for reassurance at the end of Trump’s term.
“This is an act so egregious that, in times gone by, the punishment would have been DEATH!” Trump’s post read.
Former Defense Secretary Mark Esper expressed his concerns Monday about retaliation by the former president against people whom he has had strife with — such as Milley — if he returns to office, calling them “legitimate.”
“Look, I think it’s a legitimate fear,” Esper told CNN anchor Kaitlan Collins.
“If you recall from my memoir … I cite a circumstance where [Trump], egged on by his close advisers, wanted to call back to active duty Adm. McRaven and Gen. McChrystal, to court-martial them, for some things that they allegedly said in in the public domain, and Milley and I had to talk the president out of doing that, for any number of reasons.”
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Less a dog whistle and more of a signal flare.
What have it away? DEATH in all caps? It was DEATH in all caps, wasn't it.
Maybe someone will rid him of that turbulent priest.
Honestly, I gotta say maybe Trump is what the country needs.
CALM DOWN
hi
He’s exactly what we need to see the exact special treatment that the rich and powerful get. He’s the shinning example of what kind of shit gets to fly through our machine unscathed.
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