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Germany bans ‘cult-like, deeply racist’ far-right group, carries out raids (www.aljazeera.com)

submitted 1 year ago by throws_lemy@lemmy.nz to c/news@beehaw.org

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[–] Kwakigra@beehaw.org 62 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Freedom has two components: Positive Freedom and Negative Freedom. Negative Freedom is a lack of restriction from doing something, while Positive Freedom is the ability to do something. For example, I am free to go to Mars through the lens of Negative Freedom but not through the lens of Positive Freedom.

Restricting Negative Freedom can enhance Positive Freedom. If a terrorist hate group is not allowed to exist, then those who would have been their victims can be free to live their lives without having them cut short by this disallowed association. This is a pro-freedom move in the direction of greater fairness and safety in Germany.

[–] interolivary@beehaw.org 7 points 1 year ago

I've also heard the somewhat more descriptive terms "freedom to" and "freedom from" being used for these

[–] Yetix@beehaw.org 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It made me feel kinda sad that you have to explain this... 😩

[–] Kwakigra@beehaw.org 5 points 1 year ago

I can say that I wasn't born knowing this and was raised in a conservative environment which equipped me with schemas I myself have had to overcome. I agree it's sad that I had to learn this myself and I want to help out anyone else on a journey similar to mine. What I think is truly sad is when someone is too cowardly to criticize their own beliefs however uncomfortable that process is.

[–] storksforlegs@beehaw.org 48 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Good! Other free countries, please follow suit.

If you dont stomp out the nazi fascists, they will grow and try to stomp you.

[–] prole@beehaw.org 13 points 1 year ago

And I think Germany knows about that first hand.

[–] FlashMobOfOne@beehaw.org 41 points 1 year ago (2 children)

THIS is how you handle terrorist groups, not like here in America, where people let them hide behind the First Amendment and make excuses for their ideologies and behavior.

[–] triclops6@lemmy.ca 23 points 1 year ago

Or give them a badge and a gun

[–] sub_@beehaw.org 15 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Americans (and others) who like to tout free speech, watch them turn 180 instantaneously if you ask them whether the first amendment is applicable to ISIS, or any other groups that they don't like.

There's a difference between being able to criticize government and people in power, to straight up inciting hate and racism.

[–] FlashMobOfOne@beehaw.org 9 points 1 year ago

And many of those same absolutists fully support laws criminalizing stolen valor.

[–] khalic@beehaw.org 21 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Seems to be the hammerskins, a nazi skinhead chapter. It’s really excellent news

[–] Case@unilem.org 8 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Thank you for differentiating.

The original "skin head" movement was mostly factory workers in Britain who cut their hair short (not necessarily shaved bald) for safety around equipment, and some of the most popular music among the group was stuff by "rude boys" Jamaican primarily I believe.

It was working class solidarity with no intentions of racism.

The neo Nazi groups coopted the term, and delved into punk music to find disenfranchised people who would buy into their rhetoric.

There are also other skin head groups that exist today - SHARP for example, standing for SkinHeads Against Racial Prejudice.

Espouse hateful rhetoric around these guys and you're liable to wind up on the wrong side of a brick to the head.

Why do I know all this? I have a penchant for research, and in the past few years I've been shaving my head because I decided to own my thinning hairline instead of have some ridiculous comb over type shit and hide it.

I have had an encounter with a racist white dude at a 711, and he's ranting at the cashier and looks to me and said "Right brother?!". No, it was absurdly horrible (misguided) and I threatened to call the cops if he didn't leave the store and hopefully the neighborhood. He left when he realized he didn't have any support.

[–] khalic@beehaw.org 7 points 1 year ago

I used to go to a lot of punk concerts, you end up meeting a lot of people including redskins, OG skins, I’ve even met BDSM skinheads. The world is beautiful in its complexity

[–] apis@beehaw.org 2 points 1 year ago

Well done for standing up to the guy.

But idk that he assumed you'd agree because of your shaven head - may just have been your whiteness.

Where I'm from, Nazi skinheads do exist, but they're far, far rarer than other kinds of skinhead. Unless I see indications of far-right inclinations, I'll assume a skinhead dressed in tight jeans & big black boots is an anarchist rather than a Nazi.

Extra fun to see anarchist skinheads chasing Nazi skinheads out of an area though.

[–] Diplomjodler@feddit.de 9 points 1 year ago

Wait what? The CSU?

[–] library_napper@monyet.cc 2 points 1 year ago

Is it the Catholic church?

[–] AbstractifyBot@beehaw.org 1 points 1 year ago

Read this summary for the linked article

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Germany banned a far-right group called Artgemeinschaft and carried out raids across the country. The group had about 150 members and sought to indoctrinate children with Nazi ideology using racist and anti-Semitic literature. Police raided 26 apartments belonging to 39 members of the group in 12 states. The interior minister said this was a further blow against right-wing extremism and those who still spread Nazi ideologies today. Germany has seen a rise in the number of people involved in the far-right extremist spectrum, according to a government report.

It highlighted the disturbing nature of this group attempting to radicalize youth.

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