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[-] Chuymatt@artemis.camp 9 points 1 year ago

Hmmm… seems like Lenny has been discovered…

Check out these sources, folks.

[-] Shdwdrgn@mander.xyz 12 points 1 year ago

I actually took the time to read through the article, now I wish I hadn't. The whole thing reads like a spy novel conspiracy theory so I had to look up the site... and sure enough, they are actually rated as very low on factual reporting based on their frequent conspiracy theories. I do find it interesting that their rating is also "Far-Left Biased",makes me feel like this whole article was an attempt to shift that back towards center.

Then again, it was also expected. OP posts at least one article a day weakly attempting to bash the Biden administration, so this is par for the course.

[-] sfgifz@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago

The author appears to be credible: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seymour_Hersh

The theory in the article isn't even a new one, and hasn't been strongly dismissed.

Just because Biden is better than Trump doesn't mean he's a holy Saint. It's fair to be open to discussions even if you don't like what's being discussed.

[-] fubo@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago

He was credible, back in the day. Unfortunately, sometimes people go crazy, get bought, convert to evil cults, or otherwise become not-credible-anymore.

[-] zephyreks@programming.dev 12 points 1 year ago

He's been considered crazy after pretty much every article he has written.

Evidence of heinous acts by government typically doesn't surface until years later.

[-] PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmy.ml -1 points 1 year ago

Hahaha "he was credible" until he said something you peopel don't like of course. Don't kid yourself, back in the day you would say exactly this about every other thing he said.

[-] deafboy@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I'd use the same argument as you, had I not seen a person loose all the credibility very recently.

There was a respected molecular geneticist in czechia. She was not only the head of a private lab, but acted as a forensic expert for the court. When the covid hit, her lab has developed a new, unique way, to test for it. Then there was a conflict with the government, who temporarily banned her lab from conducting the tests. (Governments banning private labs from testing for covid was a thing in europe for some reason)

All of a sudden she started to claim sars-cov2 was artificially made, without providing any relevant evidence. The disinformation media outlets quickly took notice, decided to take advantage of her reputation, and made her a posterchild for all the covid related conspiracy theories. Things progressed very fast from this point on.

Long story short, she's been a guest in an interview conducted by a religious cult recently, in which she has shunned her entire professional life, and proceeded to explain how our reality is just a simulation, and we have to steer clear from the bad aliens, trying to prevent us from increasing our vibrations, to enter the 5th dimension.

It took 2,5 years for her to go from a respected scientist to publicly shilling for a literal cult.

[-] PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmy.ml -3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

So, based on your anecdotal evidence of completely unrelated person you will discredit just Hersh or every other human writing anything too?

[-] Stamau123@lemmy.world -3 points 1 year ago

If you can't extrapolate one situation from another, we can't help you.

[-] PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmy.ml -1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

How the hell it is even extrapolating? The guy said that one woman he know went into some rabbit hole and this is somehow EVIDENCE that completely different person who just happens to be the person that guy wanted to discredit is the same case?

Thats not even anecdotal evidence that's complete non seqitur (and bizarre tier of slander).

[-] Chuymatt@artemis.camp 1 points 1 year ago

Idon’t necessarily agree with him, but I can follow his point and the example that was provided.

This is feeling like an argument in bad faith. 

[-] PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmy.ml -5 points 1 year ago

This is feeling like an argument in bad faith.

Yes, from him. If he want to discredit Hersh, he should provide an argument against Hersh. Instead he wrote anecdote of how completely unrelated person got "corrupted" and on a basis of that single anecdote he probably wanted to prove everyone can be "corruptible", so Hersh too.

I hope you can see how that are not one but two galaxy wide leaps. From specific person to generalisation for entire humanity, to another specific and unrelated person. I could as well "prove" that since some guy i know in Poland started doing drugs and alcohol, it's a proof that you personally did the same.

[-] SomeGuyNamedPaul@beehaw.org 4 points 1 year ago

The author's evidence is that he has none, therefore it's the perfect operation. Assertions presented without evidence may be dismissed without evidence.

[-] zephyreks@programming.dev 9 points 1 year ago

It's fair to be critical of Hersh's use of anonymous sources, but it was those same anonymous sources that enabled him to cover the so-called "weapons of mass destruction" and "nuclear materials" used to justify the invasion of Iraq. It's not like this article is coming from a journalistic non-entity. Hersh has a pretty stellar record as far as journalism uncovering government corruption.

[-] Count042@lemmy.ml 12 points 1 year ago

And the torture of prisoners in Iraq, as well.

[-] Count042@lemmy.ml -2 points 1 year ago

Tell me you're young without telling me you're young.

Mint press is the publisher. The author is the important bit here. Sy Hersh is responsible for breaking lots of stories, and you should recognize his name.

He's probably the last of the independent journalists.

[-] dylanmorgan@slrpnk.net 2 points 1 year ago

And Sy Hersh has been criticized by a number of journalists for falling down a conspiracy rabbit hole in recent years, with his reporting on the nordstream attack being a major example.

[-] Count042@lemmy.ml 7 points 1 year ago

I remember the same criticisms coming out when the torture story came out.

And then the images came out.

When you criticize the US, there are a lot of people that will insist that you're wrong, and crazy for thinking the US could ever do bad stuff.

[-] sunbeam60@lemmy.one 0 points 1 year ago

No need for ageism.

[-] uphillbothways@kbin.social 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I read all the theories. All I can muster is 'oh no, not Russia's pipeline.' Seems like however you cut it, Russia did this to themselves by invading Ukraine. They were kind of on a more decent path towards meaningful integration for a minute. Would have been good for common Russians and everyone else if they'd stayed on that path. But, instead their leadership decided on extreme aggression.

[-] zephyreks@programming.dev 10 points 1 year ago

Didn't German and Dutch companies fund Nordstream 2? "Russia's pipeline" indeed.

[-] Madison420@lemmy.world -4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Doesn't really matter who paid for it so long as it's intent is to send oil/gas one way and huge amounts of money the other way.

[-] Count042@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 year ago

It does matter, as Germany is a NATO member, and the pipelines were critical infrastructure and blowing them up would be an act of war.

[-] zephyreks@programming.dev 6 points 1 year ago

It's infrastructure that Germany and the Netherlands funded. Why doesn't it matter?

[-] Madison420@lemmy.world -2 points 1 year ago

Because it wasn't blown up because of who funded it but rather who it benefits most. I'm not saying it's right but it's at least a save thought.

[-] Count042@lemmy.ml 7 points 1 year ago

If America did blow up the pipelines, it would have been a NATO country blowing up critical infrastructure (an act of war) of another NATO country (Germany).

That would, in fact, be a very fucking big deal.

[-] MuhammadJesusGaySex@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

Seymour Hersh does interviews with China Daily. That’s all I need to know.

[-] athos77@kbin.social 4 points 1 year ago

Media bias / fact check for Mint Press News:

Overall, we rate Mint Press Far-Left Biased and Questionable based on the publication of conspiracy theories, pseudoscience anti-Israel propaganda, poor sourcing, failed fact checks, and false claims.

You got a better source for this, OP?

[-] zephyreks@programming.dev 5 points 1 year ago

Seymour Hersh is an award-winning journalist who's well-known for uncovering rampant government corruption. His record includes coverage of the My Lai massacre in Vietnam, Saudi support for al-Qaeda leading up to 9/11, and the so-called "weapons of mass destruction" and "nuclear materials" used to justify the invasion of Iraq.

[-] UFODivebomb@programming.dev -1 points 1 year ago

That ain't a source. That's an appeal to authority fallacy.

[-] theKalash@feddit.ch 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Can someone get a refill for grandpa's medication?

[-] ExLisper@linux.community -3 points 1 year ago
[-] Count042@lemmy.ml 7 points 1 year ago

No. It isn't. At all.

The only reason for it to be Russia would be as a false flag event whereas almost every other country involved in the conflict, except for Germany, has more of a motive for blowing them up.

Also, the evidence points to either the US, if you believe Seymour Hersh, or a Ukraine special forces team through Poland, if you believe Germany.

At this point no one, including the US, is saying it was Putin/Russia. You're just being ignorant and repeating the supposition that came out immediately after they were blown up.

[-] ExLisper@linux.community 3 points 1 year ago

It was, obviously, a joke.

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