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[–] sommerset@thelemmy.club 10 points 7 hours ago

This is literally how ussr built things

[–] A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world 22 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago) (2 children)

But that runs counter to my need as a developer to bulldoze the entire area, build mcmansions 6 inches apart from eachother and at the barest mimimum of code (and perhaps even lower with a $$friendly$$ inspector), and then plant like a grand total of 5 trees that wont survive the first year.

Oh, and also pave everything over. Gotta pave everything over. No one wants green space! /s

[–] pulsewidth@lemmy.world 1 points 1 hour ago

My local public golf course was closed and sold to developers a few years back.

Promises were made to the community of keeping all the trees and lots of green space, as there was vicious community opposition.

The developers have of course instead done what you suggest, and every house is crammed in next to each other just like every other new suburb. Its still in progress but it looks like once they're done you wouldn't even know it used to be a golf course.

This meme is so stupid because it doesn't present an even remotely possible outcome. A far better option is to keep the public golf courses for people to spend time outdoors and to provide homes for wildlife - and then remove regulations limiting building heights to encourage multi-storey development.

Build up, not out - because once green space becomes houses it never changes back.

[–] MintyFresh@lemmy.world 7 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

When I was first committing to my no automobile lifestyle, one of the first things that struck me was the pavement. Fucking everywhere.

Next time your about town , take a mental picture. Then subtract the parking lots. The huge road. Put the buildings closer together. Make a nice bikelane, something just wide enough to get a fire engine down. Plant some trees. Pretty nice right?

Instead we have salted earth. It really is just rude to the earth. Fuck your car!

[–] A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world 7 points 8 hours ago

All I want is the infrastructure to be more convenient. I cant walk anywhere unless I want to spend an hour+ walking, which is just impractical when i need to run and grab some fucking garlic powder real quick in the middle of dinner.

Neighborhoods should have special commercial zoning inside of them to allow small shops, cafes, bakeries, etc

[–] quoll@lemmy.sdf.org -4 points 4 hours ago

or we could not sacrifice our very limited green space to property developers overlords?!

i'm not saying don't use green space better.. but keep it green.

ps: i live in a very high density area and love it... but build up not out.

[–] GoofSchmoofer@lemmy.world 27 points 15 hours ago (2 children)

The best part about this is that this will give blackrock more homes to purchase with cash to the rent out to people at ridiculous prices. /s

Sorry, I've become way to cynical these days about virtually everything, I need to go touch grass.

[–] pseudo@jlai.lu 5 points 12 hours ago

You should move to a golf-neighbourhood.

[–] Krik@lemmy.dbzer0.com 32 points 18 hours ago (6 children)

Why building something on it instead of converting it into a park? People love green stuff, you know.

[–] GrumpyDuckling@sh.itjust.works 5 points 9 hours ago

I think the proposed homes near the highway should be forested as a buffer.

[–] FooBarrington@lemmy.world 22 points 16 hours ago (2 children)

Why does it need to be a dedicated park? They're not proposing getting rid of all the green stuff. Even better than having green stuff some distance away is living in the middle of the green stuff.

[–] Krik@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 9 hours ago

Look at the picture. There'll be not much green left. They'll only leave the trees alone and based on the figure of 40 000 new residents the buildings will be taller than the trees. I don't think that is great.

Cities are more livable when there are parks every few blocks. I mean big ones, at least half a mile long. People need nature, not a tree here and there.

[–] The_Caretaker@urbanists.social 11 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

@FooBarrington @Krik
Close the asphalt streets. Rip them up and plant trees and grass. A 9 foot wide pathway for pedestrians and bicycles in the middle. Subways and streetcars to transport people from one green belt to the next one road with access for emergency vehicles, public service vehicles and deliveries circling every 9 square blocks.

[–] Krik@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 9 hours ago

Interesting idea. I'm not sure if that works everywhere but it's a start. :)

[–] biggerbogboy@sh.itjust.works 10 points 15 hours ago* (last edited 15 hours ago)

People love green stuff, you know.

Exactly, this is why we should legalise weed!

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[–] Sylence@lemmy.dbzer0.com 40 points 20 hours ago (3 children)

Not sure how it works in the US but here in Oz (where water scarcity is always present in our collective psyche) golf courses are usually placed on flood plains where it would be dangerous/too expensive to build housing. In addition most allow people to walk through them and many even allow dog walkers so they have quite a lot of public amenity.

I would still prefer if they were just designated as public parks rather than having huge swathes of grass that needed frequent watering, but they're not nearly as bad as most make them out to be.

[–] Agent641@lemmy.world 12 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 14 hours ago)

Public golf courses are one of the best things about Oz. They provide a forest island for birds and mammals among the suburbs. Many golf courses have large swathes of natural bushland around them. They are often run by the local council, and are hence not for profit, and generally they are very cheap to play.

They make most of their money via selling beer and expensive golf clubs.

Turn them over to property developers, and they'll pave it with cheaply built single dwelling houses and flog them for way too much money resulting in just more urban desert and padded the obese wallets of billionaires.

That's if they are even build able. Some areas on floodplains and marshes that serve as a local soak for stormwater, hence the water hazards. Some are built on landfills that contain mu icipal waste or even asbestos, hence you can't risk putting houses on them where someone might dig up the asbestos or waste. Turning them into a revenue-generating forest parkland is one of the few good things you can do with that land.

The revenue earned by the golf course that is used to offset local parks and recs costs would otherwise be gained by taxing the local residents through land rates.

I used to hate on them a lot before I learned that the economics of public courses is way different to that of private ones. There are still some private courses, and I wouldn't be opposed to these being taken back into public hands and/or converted into affordable housing. To the gallows with the greedy exclusive fucktillionaires.

[–] faythofdragons@slrpnk.net 25 points 20 hours ago

Yeah, here in the US, golf courses can be extremely wasteful. There's two golf courses on my drive into the city, one is on a river floodplain, the other is a HOA golf course full of sprinklers that could absolutely be more housing. If I go the other way, there's another HOA golf course that could be housing too. So, to start with, there's three golf courses in a 15km radius.

One of the HOA ones is exclusive access to the surrounding retirement community, the other HOA one doesn't have a fence or anything, but idk if they chase people off. The one on the floodplain you have to pay to access the grounds.

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