I'm quite deliberately avoiding lemmy.world, so no, we shouldn't just put everything on there.
this post was submitted on 22 Feb 2025
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There was some proposal that I have seen multiple times on Lemmy and at least once on the GitHub repo that communities should be able to subscribe to each other much like users can subscribe to communities. I vastly prefer this to other proposals such as auto-merging communities with the same name, which I can think of a few ways that can go wrong.
It would also be reasonably intuitive for the average user, since following stuff is already a familiar action you take on social media. You wouldn't really need to understand the quirks of federation to know why posting to one community makes it appear on other downstream communities. And as far as I know about ActivityPub (which is admittedly not much), it's not a stretch use it to implement a feature like this.
I wonder if this proposal ever reached anywhere.
The idea that I'm talking about is actually more like communities forming a network, with chains of following. If I host a new instance and create a memes community in it, I'd like to start having that community follow memes @ lemmy.ml and memes @ lemmy.world, so that the community already has content from the get-go, but users may be able to post memes that are unique to my instance and its followers. The followers would also see memes from upstream unless my community unfollows them, as long as they don't also follow them independently.
This model of the network would allow each community to independently determine which other communities it thematically implies, without the user having to follow all 4 communities with the same name but different content across the platform.
The multireddit suggestion is more like having directories/tags for communities. It wouldn't achieve quite the same thing, but it would be useful as well. Both ideas can coexist and complement each other.
What am I looking at?
That's a hyperlink. Some new www-stuff which was recently developed in one of our planet's greates research Institutes which also has a great particle collider.
isn't the point of the fediverse to not consolidate?
I created an instance for one specific community so that users won't be affected by who federates from who (unless you're a spam instance or something like that)
There're some different ideas in the thread now, basically a fediverse type of consolidation.
but lemmy.ml users are by far funnier and more based
Crazy talk. Next you're gonna say we only need one 196 instead of five.
To be fair onehundrednintysix exists because the 196 mods are a bunch of shitlibs, also 19864 exists because tbh I thought it was funny and I still do (also its more left wing)
So if I'm right about this....
- !196@lemmy.blahaj.zone - this is the original one, which was frozen and brought back to life after everyone left. people still post here tho dunno why maybe they're lost?
- !196@lemmy.world - this is where the mods went. it has a lot of subscribers but most of those are dead accounts
- !onehundredninetysix@lemmy.blahaj.zone - this is where all the posters went. the most active one.
- !19684@lemmy.blahaj.zone - bc "[kittenzrulz123] thought it was funny and ... its more left wing"
- !196@pawb.social - the furry version
- !195@lemmy.world - this is locked and just points to one of the 196es.
Ahem...
Yeah let's just centralize all of this bullshit.
/s
One main community greater than others with the same topic on a decetralized platform ≠ centralization.
To be fair, it is one form of centralization; although, I admit, I was twisting the meaning of the term a bit to fit my sarcastic remark.
That being said, as primarily a shitposting lurker who only occasionally actually creates content designed for sharing, I don't mind the extra communities. I'm no stranger to seeing reposts, and I get my kicks from leaving the odd comment that may or may not spawn some sort of rant (usually from myself, not the other parties), but hopefully just tickles someone, and then scrolling to the next. If it's the same thing, I just keep scrollin'.
I could see how it would be irritating to post to multiple communities designed around the same idea, but perhaps the solution is more like turning each community into an aggregate of all similar communities. You could opt your community into a master community, and any post made in one would get shared to all of them.
I mean I would still like to get rid of the same meme being posted 5 times in 2h...
Ye
All my homies hate .world and rightfully so.
Moving more communities away from .world is what we should be doing not the other way around.
As others have pointed out, if you try to move to .world people will just riot and make a new community elsewhere. Dont try, its a ridiculously stupid idea.
Again something the mods have to talk about. It’s something the mods have to discuss about (the community can take part in that discussion too, democracy and stuff). We could for example merge to lemmy.ml.
Your proposal is much too streamlined.
Perhaps you presume memes are a commodity of which consumption should be maximized!
Nay, I say. Memes are an essential nutrient that becomes toxic in larger doses.
Thus, they must be scattered about in the environment to be encountered by happenstance whilst I pursue my main information foraging goal of finding ad hoc justification for my durable sense of dread.
Memes, uhh, find a way.
Do whatever you want but I am planning many epic shitposts pretty much anywhere I can get a reaction.
Ok.
There should be a way to see the content from different communities with the same name but from different instances in the same page, like some sort of automatic multireddit. The content would probably be limited to instances federated with your home instance but even then it's something I would like to have.
You cannot assume that communities with the same name are meant to be on the same topic.
Say I set up an instance focused on discussing parties at home. There are fun in-person games you can play with your friends when many of you are over, so I would create a community c/games for discussing them. Now, what if I want my instance to federate with lemmy.world? They already have a c/games that is dedicated to videogames. Maybe I also would need a community dedicated to videogames, but I'd have to call it c/videogames, because I already have a c/games.
Some human intervention would be required to let the network know that the local c/videogames is the one that has to federate with lemmy.world's c/games, and not the local c/games.
Maybe an automatic suggestion would be fine as a starting point, but it would be more useful that communities themselves could explicitly establish which remote communities they are associated with, without depending on the names.
That's actually a pretty idea. I'm imaging something like a tool included into lemmy where you can collect different subs into one folder and even share these/export those folders as xml or json to a new account... And now we're talking about RSS-feeds. Basically.
But RSS-feeds included into lemmy. I don't really know if that would help to get rid of reposts, but it's certainly an interesting idea. Something one would have to integrate in an Lemmy update, so you would need to contribute to the Lemmy code.
I actually love this idea. I'm on a federated service, why do I need to go to 3 meme communities on 3 instances when I could go to "meme" and see all of them?
Crossposts from within the cross-feed could be automatically hidden to avoid showing the same post multiple times, and then we just start spreading the word to crosspost instead of reposting. I think the only issue is that this would definitely be better to implement client-side because AP is just a protocol to move data, whereas this requires checking too many user-defined variables to make it idiomatic easily. I could be wrong though, I don't know the AP code very well
no, because not everyone likes to join lemmy.world because of the fedipact.
You don't have to join an instance to participate in their community.
We could find a solution for that, couldn't we?
E: It's something the mods have to discuss about (the community can take part in that discussion too, democracy and stuff). We could for example merge to lemmy.ml.
To be fair, one can have good reasons against .ml as well as .world
Having two communities is not the worst idea imho
To be fair, one can have good reasons against .ml as well as .world
You're right now let's start our own com on a completely different instance. /s
It didn’t used to be like this. Maybe take it up with the brave patriot who’s made it his sacred duty to repost ml memes to world, in the hopes of convincing the world admins to defederate from ml. https://lemmy.world/comment/15251475
lol!
no
Thanks for this detailed reasoning.
ok
Updoot for a great use of the unpopular opinion meme.
Always two there are. And they're both full of reposts.
Yes
The issue is that lemmy.world is having federation issues bc they didn't update to last release
I think they are about to.
Do you want to readegermansmemessfrom ich_iel? Cause that's how you get german memes from ich_iel.
I think it's healthy for the fediverse to have similar communities on different instances, because if we centralize, it basically becomes reddit, which means moderation and censorship are at the whims of whoever owns the only place people go.
I'd also like to give a shout-out to sopuli.xyz/c/memes for having a popular memes community too.
I think it’s healthy for the fediverse to have similar communities on different instances, because if we centralize, it basically becomes reddit, which means moderation and censorship are at the whims of whoever owns the only place people go.
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See also this blog post discussing this issue and some of the proposed improvements: https://popcar.bearblog.dev/lemmy-needs-to-fix-its-community-separation-problem/
I like their proposed solution #3, but it is somewhat hampered by the DNS-centric model of ActivityPub. I hope that one day something like this proof-of-concept of making AP content-addresable (which i found via this post about "How decentralized is Bluesky really?") will be widely adopted and make instances less important.
But even without such a major change as moving to content addressability, that blog's proposed solution #3 (simply letting communities "follow" other communities) would let readers pick which moderation they like without posters needing to manually cross post to reach everyone: If communities A and B could mutually follow eachother, posts would by default appear on both but could be independently removed from either. 🤔
That sounds like a pretty cool solution. I don't have a good mental picture for how that would work on the technical side, but anything that does behind-the-scenes work like that for new users is probably worth considering.