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I've seen this posted a couple of times in comments, it seems like a reasonable investigation in to the recent shit storm

I usually actively avoid engaging in anything to do with US politics as it's pointless getting depressed by an awful situation I have zero control over; this post is not about fueling arguments or making us all feel worse, just determining if a useful tech company has gone to shit (TL;DR: probably not).

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[–] LWD@lemm.ee 41 points 5 hours ago

There are multiple issues with this blog post.

Paints entire issue as "politics"

The post falsely assumes Andy Yen's politics exclusively matter - they don't. Andy Yen stupidly posted a opinion online, then stupidly got the official corporate Proton account to stupidly repeat it on multiple platforms.

This is the issue: they demonstrated massive corporate mismanagement.

Then the company tried sweeping it under the rug, and many users are unaware about the corporate statements.

The article never addresses that issue. The author probably wishes Andy Yen's mistake was just political, because that would be easy to write off. But it's not.

Trust matters

If the CEO is able to bungle something this badly in full public sight, I lose a tremendous amount of trust in the actual product. And because Proton gets a good chance to read over every single email that comes in from an external source - password reset emails, confidential documents, etc - now I'm worried that they could bungle something that I can't see... Until it's too late.

Article misrepresents Slater

If you read this Medium article alone, you might come away with the impression Gail Slater is a champion of small business. After all, it says

Legal experts have described Slater to be “not known as a friend of Big Tech”, and “not good for Google” despite her Republican ties. It is likely that knowing this, Andy was caught by surprise at Trump’s pick...

I was caught by surprise too: this article misses key details about Gail Slater. Several people pointed this out to Andy Yen.

Her Wikipedia page suggests she worked for the FTC before working for a lobbying firm and joining the first Trump administration. Then she worked for Fox and Roku and is now rejoining the Trump administration.

That lobbying group that employed her for four years was the Internet Association.

The Internet Association (IA) was an American lobbying group based in Washington, D.C., which represented companies involved in the Internet. It was founded in 2012 by Michael Beckerman and several companies, including Google, Amazon, eBay, and Facebook...

In 2017, the Internet Association opposed California AB 375, a data privacy bill that would require Internet service providers to obtain customers' permission to collect and sell their browsing history, citing desensitization and security as the basis for their opposition.

Maybe Andy Yen stupidly didn't know better when he made his post (as "Proton Team") when he claimed she had "a solid track record of being on the right side of the antitrust issue".

But this article should have known.

Technical issues

This article also makes a poor technical assumption: if you read it without knowing better, you'd think Proton isn't capable of scanning and recording the text of mail as it arrives.

Lines like these

Proton is end-to-end encrypted, meaning it cannot decrypt user data.

tell the reader, either ignorantly or intentionally, the opposite of most email works. Banks, service providers, and password reset emails are all likely to be readable on receipt. E2EE emails in Proton are literally exceptionally rare.

Assorted notes

  • This article is the one the Proton team officially endorses. (Or is that Andy Yen commandeering the account again?)
  • Assuming racism isn't possible for Asian people is, at best, a naive thing to say as a defense.
  • The article equates women with automatically being feminist; for a paper with so many links, it's strange that this claim was unsourced
[–] something_random_tho@lemmy.world 14 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago) (1 children)

We shouldn't need to read tea leaves. He should come out and say, "I don't support MAGA and their cruel attacks on minorities."

Same vibe as Musk's "controversial gesture" where everyone was saying it was just an unfortunate accident. When Musk could have easily said, "I despise Nazis and everything they've done" afterwards, and didn't.

[–] dojan@lemmy.world 27 points 6 hours ago (2 children)

Andy is an Asian immigrant living in Europe, and he’s not even ethnically white, which makes it even more unlikely that he would be a white supremacist.

This is largely irrelevant I feel, given that they give further motivation for him not being a white supremacy in actual actions taken. Your origin or the colour of your skin doesn't guarantee anything. For example Gandhi was a white supremacist.

Overall a pretty good read.

[–] LWD@lemm.ee 6 points 4 hours ago

I read this entire medium article from start to end, and that point stuck out to me so much that it caused me to pause, make sure I'd seen it correctly, and then restart with a more critical lens.

Between lines like that, and the assumptions like

  • The "three cis-gender women on the board" wouldn't be put there by a MAGA person because MAGA people would never hire women. This argument is piss-poor on its face. You could use it to say Trump isn't sexist either.
    (Off topic but: "cis-gender"?)
  • These women are "feminists with liberal values" - no citations, no examples needed apparently.
[–] xnx@slrpnk.net 3 points 4 hours ago (1 children)
[–] dojan@lemmy.world 3 points 37 minutes ago

Mahatma Gandhi. He said that white people should be the predominating race, and that black people are "troublesome, very dirty and live like animals." He held some really unacceptable beliefs and behaviours, like continuously insisting on sleeping with children naked to prove how pure he was (for not assaulting them).

[–] protonslive@lemm.ee 1 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

It's important to note two things:

  1. Even if he doesn't matter, or hell, commented in favor of the other political party. As a company that represents itself as politically neutral fails to do so when the head of company uses official company account to be political.

  2. It is important to note. They are not private and secure. For example, they have handed info to to authorities before. Meaning they broke the 2 main reasons to be with them.

[–] independantiste@sh.itjust.works 6 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)

Complying with government data requests is NOT the same as collecting information for profit. A company cannot just decide to not comply with the local laws where they sell their products, or else they would risk getting banned in that country. Proton just like signal or any secure service will have to provide all of the requested info they have on you when demanded to. The point of using Proton and other secure services is that the actual important information (contents of your emails, drive elements, etc.) are encrypted, so even if they give the information, it will be useless. Proton isn't sold as an anonymity service, but as a secure one. I've seen this whole debate and from the beginning it's been stupid and uninformed takes that criticize just to criticize without any understanding of how being present in a foreign market works

[–] zloubida@lemmy.world 7 points 8 hours ago
[–] meldrik@lemmy.wtf -2 points 7 hours ago

Good read. Case closed.