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[–] DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 4 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

Y'all ever notice how all the tankie types are eager to tell you your votes don't matter but also conservatives are above rigging elections and Trump literally bragging about Elon rigging the election shouldn't be investigated?

[–] UltraGiGaGigantic@lemmy.ml -3 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago) (1 children)

Investigate away DemAnon.

If you run into hostility regarding this investigation, perhaps it has something to do with the democrats scrambling to avoid responsibility for their failures. If democrats keep First-past-the-post voting in the blue states they control, and they tell people that they are the only option to beat the Republicans, then they cannot shirk responsibility here. I personally don't see this acceptance from liberal commenter's online or the democratic party at large. This will lead into another shitty campaign if we don't call them out on their bullshit.

Please consider putting 1/10th the effort you expend here into passing electoral reform on your state so more people could be represented by their options in the voting booth. More people voting means a chance they would list the democrats as a 2nd choice. Why are the democrats saying no to these easy votes? Why would they say no to having more then one chance to defeat the republicans?

Videos on Electoral Reform

First Past The Post voting (What most states use now)

Videos on alternative electoral systems we can try out.

STAR voting

Alternative vote

Ranked Choice voting

Range Voting

Single Transferable Vote

Mixed Member Proportional representation

[–] DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 3 points 3 hours ago

Couldn't help yourself, huh?

[–] SoftestSapphic@lemmy.world 17 points 22 hours ago* (last edited 22 hours ago)

The rich are trying to achieve world domination before we collectively strip them of their excess wealth to fix wealth inequality and dethrone them.

I wish i were kidding...

Nothing will meaningfully improve until the rich fear for their lives

[–] ObsidianZed@lemmy.world 42 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Man... Her post went from

"You can see that it appears to be a Python script that programmatically creates a series of synthetic ballot images (two pages per ballot) with random variations, then logs information about each generated image in a text file.

In essence, it’s simulating “filled-out” ballots."

to

"You basically see that this tool they built could be used to invalidate ballots in bulk.

Machines could do it during initial scanning instead of later on, or on custom metrics.

Just set the machines to count less blue ink ballots and instruct democratic areas to use blue pens.*

Either I missed something vital or she's talking out of her ass.

The point is though, even if we had 100% certifiable proof that the 2024 election was rigged with direct ties to Trump and/or Musk being responsible by giving a direct command, I honestly don't know if that would make any difference today.

[–] petersr@lemmy.world 5 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

I also don't know exactly what she is getting at. What are these generated ballot images being used for precisely?

[–] DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 4 points 6 hours ago

It's not a great theory, and quite frankly I think getting stuck on a college project is silly when you can just make a new program with better resources but I think it goes:

1: Issue blue pens to swingable democratic regions (or whatever).

2: Have the machines set to generate a fake ballot image when it detects blue ink on the voter signature. Doesn't need to be every ballot, just enough to swing the region.

3: Print the generated ballot instead of what they voted for. I'm not sure how all machines work but my area physically prints a paper copy, do any machines just keep entirely digital records?

4: Voter is apparently unaware their choices were changed.

This presumably wouldn't work in my area any more as it prints a scannable code and your entries, but it would have worked in 2016 when it just printed the code.

I don't buy this specific chain of events, but it is an excellent demonstration of why voting machines are just a stupid fucking idea. Even if they were the most secure, unhackably hardcoded systems in existence there would always be doubts.

On the other hand, it's not like paper ballots are tamper proof themselves.

[–] earphone843@sh.itjust.works 53 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I didn't think it would take this long for stuff like this to start surfacing.

I've always maintained that the party of "every accusation is a confession" who screamed about election fraud for 4 years committed election fraud.

All I want to do is this: I just want to find 11,780 votes, which is one more than we have... Fellas, I need 11,000 votes, give me a break.

We already know they're willing to commit fraud.

[–] chaos@beehaw.org 15 points 1 day ago

The entire country shifted red. They would've had to implement this system in all 50 states, even ones that didn't matter, and across 50 different voting systems, many of which are entirely paper-based, and not leave a single scrap of evidence. Individual ballots are secret, but lots of other records are not, including who did and did not vote in each precinct, and how many ballots were cast for each candidate, so if they were just injecting lots of fake ballots, the numbers wouldn't add up. The simple fact is, the 2020 election wasn't stolen, and neither was the 2024 one.

[–] NocturnalMorning@lemmy.world 41 points 1 day ago (3 children)

I looked at the python code in the repository they linked, it doesn't do anything suspicious. Unless they can come up with some better evidence. This is complete nonsense.

[–] clay_pidgin@sh.itjust.works 24 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

The bluesky OP links to a generator for "fake" ballot images - this is a test script. I generated thousands of "fake" background check applications once for a work project to test how much load the system could accommodate and if any number of likely data entry errors would break it. It's a normal practice.

The suggestion that a student working on a voting-related project is suspicious ipso facto is silly. Your professors require you to pick an interesting topic to work on, and voter fraud or election fraud have been in the news.

[–] IzzyScissor@lemmy.world 2 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

It wasn't at his professors request. It was at Elon Musk's, who sponsored the "hackathon".

It's one thing to do on your own and another to do for a billionaire as a presumptive job interview.

[–] nomy@lemmy.zip 1 points 1 hour ago

What? Where are you getting that? (f)Elon Musk isn't associated with the Berkley AI hackathon at all afaik.

[–] kibiz0r@midwest.social 7 points 1 day ago

Yeah, this is just circumstantial so far. There’s enough to justify continued effort, but this is no smoking gun yet.

[–] galoisghost@aussie.zone 3 points 1 day ago (2 children)

I wouldn’t say complete nonsense the script used for their testing does take an image of a ballot and generate replicas with random errors.

It’s not a fire but it smells a hell of a lot like smoke.

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[–] Doom@ttrpg.network 4 points 22 hours ago (3 children)

it was not rigged. the voters didn't like Biden Harris or the situation in Palestine along with the fact nothing major changed. We fought and voted, where are the politicians helping? And now we're here

[–] JillyB@beehaw.org 3 points 6 hours ago

This might be a hot take and I have nothing backing this up but: I don't think the average US voter gives a fuck about the Palestinians or the US support of Israel. The people who do are a vocal but tiny minority, even among Democrat voters. That minority still likely voted overwhelmingly for Kamala. I just don't think the Israel Palestine issue had any affect at all on the election. If you look online, you'd think it was the single biggest failure of the Democrat party. Which...it is, morally speaking. But I don't think it decided the election. I'd love to be proven wrong but I think Americans don't care about foreigners.

[–] GBU_28@lemm.ee 7 points 21 hours ago

I'm not worried about the last one. Im worried about the next ones.

[–] IzzyScissor@lemmy.world 3 points 20 hours ago* (last edited 20 hours ago)

Please read the post.

[–] Ghyste@sh.itjust.works 30 points 1 day ago

Keep the evidence coming. Don't stop digging.

[–] Umbrias@beehaw.org 4 points 1 day ago

this sort of could be verified using the paper ballots pretty easily, or by checking vote monitor polls and exit polls vs the final results. things like voter turnout vs reported vote, etc, there are a lot of ways to audit this. always fine to audit but i doubt there's much to this.

[–] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago

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