this post was submitted on 07 Feb 2025
419 points (98.6% liked)

politics

19857 readers
3951 users here now

Welcome to the discussion of US Politics!

Rules:

  1. Post only links to articles, Title must fairly describe link contents. If your title differs from the site’s, it should only be to add context or be more descriptive. Do not post entire articles in the body or in the comments.

Links must be to the original source, not an aggregator like Google Amp, MSN, or Yahoo.

Example:

  1. Articles must be relevant to politics. Links must be to quality and original content. Articles should be worth reading. Clickbait, stub articles, and rehosted or stolen content are not allowed. Check your source for Reliability and Bias here.
  2. Be civil, No violations of TOS. It’s OK to say the subject of an article is behaving like a (pejorative, pejorative). It’s NOT OK to say another USER is (pejorative). Strong language is fine, just not directed at other members. Engage in good-faith and with respect! This includes accusing another user of being a bot or paid actor. Trolling is uncivil and is grounds for removal and/or a community ban.
  3. No memes, trolling, or low-effort comments. Reposts, misinformation, off-topic, trolling, or offensive. Similarly, if you see posts along these lines, do not engage. Report them, block them, and live a happier life than they do. We see too many slapfights that boil down to "Mom! He's bugging me!" and "I'm not touching you!" Going forward, slapfights will result in removed comments and temp bans to cool off.
  4. Vote based on comment quality, not agreement. This community aims to foster discussion; please reward people for putting effort into articulating their viewpoint, even if you disagree with it.
  5. No hate speech, slurs, celebrating death, advocating violence, or abusive language. This will result in a ban. Usernames containing racist, or inappropriate slurs will be banned without warning

We ask that the users report any comment or post that violate the rules, to use critical thinking when reading, posting or commenting. Users that post off-topic spam, advocate violence, have multiple comments or posts removed, weaponize reports or violate the code of conduct will be banned.

All posts and comments will be reviewed on a case-by-case basis. This means that some content that violates the rules may be allowed, while other content that does not violate the rules may be removed. The moderators retain the right to remove any content and ban users.

That's all the rules!

Civic Links

Register To Vote

Citizenship Resource Center

Congressional Awards Program

Federal Government Agencies

Library of Congress Legislative Resources

The White House

U.S. House of Representatives

U.S. Senate

Partnered Communities:

News

World News

Business News

Political Discussion

Ask Politics

Military News

Global Politics

Moderate Politics

Progressive Politics

UK Politics

Canadian Politics

Australian Politics

New Zealand Politics

founded 2 years ago
MODERATORS
 

Summary

Representative Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez warned that Trump’s mass deportation policy could lead to labor shortages and higher grocery prices.

Experts say agriculture, construction, and healthcare will be hardest hit, with farm output losses estimated between $30 and $60 billion.

Deportations could cost the U.S. economy up to $88 billion annually.

AOC argued that immigrant labor is vital to economic stability, urging Congress to pursue immigration reform.

top 50 comments
sorted by: hot top controversial new old
[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 17 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago) (1 children)

Farms are just going to take it on the chin. They're losing their labor with the mass deportations and they're losing a hilariously large buyer of food with USAID being shut down.

So who's ready for the new price on food?

[–] dx1@lemmy.world 2 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago) (2 children)

Reminder, losing a large purchasing segment decreases demand, which lowers prices until the market adjusts. I.e., it frees up agricultural output that they have to sell, which they'll lower prices to make sell to other buyers (domestically or internationally).

[–] megopie@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)

So the issue is, that those are two different categories. USAID tends to be food stuff that the US massively over produces, dairy, corn, soy, ect. These are all categories that are highly automated and don’t require much labor (relative to other categories)

The places where the most migrant labor is utilized are things like fruits, vegetables, and meat processing. stuff that can’t be mechanized to the same degree as corn or milk. Stuff that doesn’t tend to get exported as part of USAID because it is in demand in the US.

[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 1 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)

The distributors will lower prices. Farmers will get paid pennies for what would be dollars. Farmers don't sell their product directly. They get screwed before the consumer gets screwed. In this kind of a cycle prices drop in the short term, but as farmers can't afford to plant as much going forward, there's a supply crunch next season. The government used to do a lot to manage this cycle and smooth it out, by literally buying product.

No big deal in the long term though right? Well except we don't have a competitive distributor or grocery market anymore. So when that crunch hits those prices are going up and they're going to stay up. For reference check the recent greedflation that happened.

Worse there is a real risk of a dust bowl effect. Farmers who are strapped for cash don't want to spend money setting their fields up to fallow properly. So the summer hits and the crops that are planted get buried in all that dust. Making the supply crunch even worse.

Then in a normal situation we'd still have the global supply chain to fall back on. But there's a very good chance that food is going to have tariffs on it.

Farming isn't like making a widget in a factory.

[–] Veedem@lemmy.world 226 points 20 hours ago (8 children)

I know she’s been villainized by the right, but I feel like, at this point, she needs to be elevated to key leadership of the party. She’s the only one who seems to be able to speak to specifics. I just listened to Jeffries on Jon Stewart’s podcast and it was all of the same old generalities.

[–] webhead@lemmy.world 1 points 2 hours ago

Seriously. They all said they felt better than before but the dude barely said anything worthwhile. So disappointing it's the exact same hand wringing bullshit where they say "we just need to get the message out" instead of actually doing shit differently. Jon really did try to get more out of him but he stayed on message like 80% of the time like a true politician.

[–] mwproductions@lemmy.world 4 points 6 hours ago

I just listened to Jeffries on Jon Stewart’s podcast and it was all of the same old generalities.

Especially after Stewart's recent interview with her.

[–] Pogogunner@sopuli.xyz 148 points 20 hours ago (17 children)

I can't speak to every politician, but as a class, they seem to be elites that are disconnected from the average American.

AOC, having been a normal person, is able to bring the message that gets through to people without having it filtered through some sort of communication agency.

[–] Branch_Ranch@lemmy.world 6 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

Would be a great time for bernie and AOC to make strides to start a new party, or other tactics to force dems to move left.

[–] SabinStargem@lemmings.world 1 points 1 hour ago

I hope they pass a bill to set age and term limits, alongside with voting reforms. Our political system was built for a mere 13 colonies that shared a coastline, not a continental civilization without telecommunication.

load more comments (16 replies)
[–] A_Union_of_Kobolds@lemmy.world 13 points 16 hours ago

Given how clearly she's stood up since day 1 here, I wouldn't be surprised if she's the first target for Trump's Window-Pushing Squad

Sooner or later, the idiot is gonna take the biggest chapter from Putin's book.

[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 23 points 19 hours ago

I fear for her safety, to be honest...

[–] Quill7513@slrpnk.net 18 points 20 hours ago

that's exactly why the establishment limits her movements. she's a threat to schumer and pelosi's stranglehold on the money pipelines. what schumer and pelosi either don't realize, or don't care about, is they're who the ultraradical right want dead first. they showed us as much on january 6th, 2021

[–] Kyrgizion@lemmy.world 7 points 18 hours ago* (last edited 18 hours ago) (1 children)

She will never be allowed anywhere close to real power for the same reason they've kept Bernie from power for decades.

[–] qprimed@lemmy.ml 2 points 17 hours ago

pelosi firmly believes octogenarian throat cancer is the future of the democratic party.

[–] Breve@pawb.social 4 points 18 hours ago

The big money and corporate donors to the Democratic Party would never allow someone like AOC or Bernie to lead the party.

[–] Sam_Bass@lemmy.world 6 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

Yeah another page in the orange manual of america's destruction

[–] Theonetheycall1845@lemmy.world 1 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

How can he sleep at night knowing he's selling us out to fucking China and Russia. They are salivating at our demise.

[–] Sam_Bass@lemmy.world 4 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

He's got his daddy Vlad singing lullabies

[–] Theonetheycall1845@lemmy.world 1 points 8 hours ago

Vladdy got his dick in trumps throat so hard he's letting Elon run the show. #PresidentElon

[–] OldWoodFrame@lemm.ee 28 points 17 hours ago (2 children)

Tariffs too. It's just a bit of "short term pain"...meaning, for about 4 years until someone comes in and reverses the horrible policies.

[–] MrVilliam@lemm.ee 14 points 14 hours ago

The consequences of trump will have residual effects. The damage cannot be undone in one fell swoop. The country is a big boat and it takes a long fucking time to change directions even if you immediately start steering it the other way.

Then there's the whole topic of friends and allies wondering if we can be trusted in the long term. Why make deals with us if we're gonna just elect a stupid asshole who will reneg on anything and everything that isn't immediately beneficial to that specific person? A lot of countries likely considered drastic changes to policy with us, but decided to hold off until the 2020 election, and then breathed a sigh of relief when we didn't reelect the dipshit. Fast forward four short years and see that we went back to the dipshit despite all obvious, available information saying that only a fucking moron who is trying to summon the end of the world would allow such a thing; would you trust a country that elected trump, took a break from him, and then elected him back in again? This really isn't about lackluster democrats and their performance in elections; would you want to make long term plans with a person who was so chaotic? Denmark won't forget us openly considering taking Greenland by force. Panama won't forget us talking about taking the canal. Canada won't forget us talking about annexing them. The EU won't forget the tariffs. Mexico won't forget the deportations. We're alienating ourselves, burning through all of our political capital like trump burns through every business venture. He will fuck every relationship up and the dollar will be fucking worthless as a result if he doesn't just fucking stop.

I legitimately have zero clue what the country and the world in general look like four years from now, but I can tell you that it will be bad and the bleeding will take years to stop and decades to heal. Even if this stopped today, Pandora's box is open. If trump died on the toilet today, vance would continue what's happening.

The entire line of succession isn't even the problem. The experiment is over. Oligarchs and their pet autocrat run everything and they're not interested in what you have to say about it. If they decide to just suspend all elections and appoint all elected offices and consolidate all power to the executive, what can really be done to stop it? It would take a revolution, but the bastard cops have fucking tanks with which to kill us all. No other country will come to help us because our military is far more advanced than all others and we're geographically very easy to defend. Our own country has us by the balls and the twisting is just getting started.

I wish I could be so optimistic as to believe that things could be okay in four years. A lot of people will be deported and/or killed before then, so even if it did end up being okay for you or me, that's still gonna be too late for them.

[–] djsoren19@lemmy.blahaj.zone 7 points 14 hours ago

"If" someone reverses those policies. There are still policies created by Trump from 2016 that have not been reversed.

[–] kibiz0r@midwest.social 31 points 17 hours ago

Private prisons looking at the 13th amendment:

“I wouldn’t say deported… More like, under new management.”

[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 33 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

Surely they mean shocked by how affordable eggs are now, right??

[–] kryptonianCodeMonkey@lemmy.world 29 points 19 hours ago (7 children)

How much could an egg cost? 10 dollars?

[–] AdamEatsAss@lemmy.world 4 points 19 hours ago

There's always money in the egg stand!

load more comments (5 replies)
[–] gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works 15 points 19 hours ago (1 children)
load more comments (1 replies)
[–] queermunist@lemmy.ml 9 points 19 hours ago
[–] HappySkullsplitter@lemmy.world 4 points 19 hours ago (2 children)

Stop giving Trump a heads up on his mistakes

Can't get rid of him if we keep preventing his fuck ups for him

Same thing happened his whole first term

Pick an obvious huge blunder of his that isn't going to cause global catastrophe for generations to come and just let it happen

Don't help it happen, just silently let it happen.

The courts, congress, secret service, none of it will matter if 150+ million people rush the capital to dispose of this goon

[–] pivot_root@lemmy.world 10 points 18 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago) (1 children)

Stop giving Trump a heads up on his mistakes

Can't get rid of him if we keep preventing his fuck ups for him

I think you're overestimating how much he listens to or cares for what the public thinks. He surrounds himself with yes-men and people beaten into submission. As long as they're going to keep telling him that his policies are making America great, he'll keep doing both whatever dumb shit he thinks of and executing the plans Putin and the Project 2025 authors give him.

[–] HappySkullsplitter@lemmy.world 5 points 17 hours ago

Most of these idea aren't even Trump's, they come from deranged and corrupt special interest groups

Trump also has a team that manages his image. Mostly because this is what Trump really cares about the most, vanity.

If these two come into conflict, the image team will always win.

Whatever makes Trump look good, that's all he cares about.

Letting him fuck up will force him into damage control and he will never admit being wrong which will only serve to dig himself a deeper hole

[–] TachyonTele@lemm.ee 12 points 19 hours ago* (last edited 19 hours ago)

In a sane world that would work.
I don't think that's the world we're in anymore.

load more comments
view more: next ›