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[–] sharkfucker420@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 hour ago

Can't even coup venezuela these days lol

[–] SoftestSapphic@lemmy.world 6 points 2 hours ago

The intelligence agencies aren't interested in protecting this country anymore.

It's too easy to just suck billionaire cock.

[–] Depress_Mode@lemmy.world 1 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago) (1 children)

CIA, too. I thought they sort of just did their own thing and aren't really beholden to the president. People think the CIA is such a rogue organization that some people have suggested they killed JFK because he sought to shrink the org and make them more accountable. Seems unlikely, though, since apparently all it takes to completely take it over is just to change around some personnel.

Like, my head cannon is that the new leaders would be figureheads only and that there'd be someone secretly chosen to keep things running behind closed doors and pulling the real CIA strings to resist such changes (and maybe have an encore, pretty please?), but that's based on nothing at all. I'm no fan of the CIA or anything, but I do fear what such a shadowy government org might do when wielded by Trump cronies even more than the stuff they usually get up to.

[–] BakerBagel@midwest.social 1 points 43 minutes ago

If tou look into the plans and wacky shit the CIA has tried to do over the years, you realize they are just daycare for Ivy League grads. They are absolutely useless at anything beyond intelligence gathering

[–] slaacaa@lemmy.world 8 points 3 hours ago

Also 1980s: providing some C4 to bomb a black apartment block in in Philadelphia: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1985_MOVE_bombing

[–] surph_ninja@lemmy.world 25 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago)

Since 9/11, the FBI just wastes resources tricking vulnerable people with terrorism entrapment schemes.

Before 9/11, it was a lot of drug entrapment schemes, like the one they tried on DeLorean. While they enjoy McCarthy style entrapment of high-profile celebrities and such, they figured out it was better for their careers to go after people without the means to fight the charges. So they convince an innocent (and often mentally disabled) person to participate in a terror attack they’re planning, get them to agree to a plea deal, build a resume of successful convictions, and there’s less public scrutiny when it’s found out the whole thing is just another illegal entrapment.

Overall, they’re still following the Hoover handbook. Still targeting activists and minorities for illegal surveillance. I’d be shocked if they’ve suddenly decided to stop assassinating or imprisoning those activists they perceive to be a threat.

https://www.politico.com/news/2023/05/19/fbi-surveillance-black-lives-matter-protesters-00097924

[–] Stovetop@lemmy.world 109 points 8 hours ago (4 children)

Just to nitpick, the CIA is more the "topple governments" organization.

I am sure the FBI is involved, but their operations are primarily internal affairs. It's like MI5 and MI6 in the UK.

[–] Dasus@lemmy.world 3 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

It’s like MI5 and MI6 in the UK.

OOOOohhhh that's their difference. I never really bothered to check. Did know the difference for CIA and FBI though, but this I somehow thought of less idk

[–] Stovetop@lemmy.world 2 points 7 minutes ago (1 children)

If you want more info about some other Anglosphere countries and their comparable organizations, along with a healthy dose of "Wait what the hell are these governments doing", the Five Eyes article on Wikipedia has a helpful table of its member states and their respective intelligence apparati.

[–] Dasus@lemmy.world 1 points 2 minutes ago* (last edited 2 minutes ago)

Thanks. Yeah I got most of them down, but that just sort of slipped through some of the filters and I've just never given concious thought to the difference even though I've watched like idk a dozen shows in the previous year about MI5 and MI6 and whatnot. I've literally just ignored it. But then when I hear things like "the KSK" I have to look them up (Kommando Spezialkräfte) once in a while.

Now I've been watching Jack Ryan, then earlier this year was "The Agency" and then theres the very british "Slow Horses" with Gary Oldman 9/10. I don't only watch shows like that but sometimes when I get into a mood I watch all them at once . Currently I'm more into WWII British war stories but I've like seen all them from Colditz to Dunkirk

edit dogs -> horses

[–] spankmonkey@lemmy.world 74 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

The CIA topples foreign governments.

The FBI topples progressive movements within the US.

[–] ryedaft@sh.itjust.works 18 points 5 hours ago (2 children)

Tbf they also target white supremacist organisations within the US.

Targeted.

[–] spankmonkey@lemmy.world 13 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago) (1 children)

They did not seem to be very effective when it came to white supremicists...

[–] rimmedalpha@lemmynsfw.com 9 points 5 hours ago

By targeted, they meant "targeted for recruitment"

[–] Katana314@lemmy.world 17 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

Yeah…and they’re being threatened too.

I wonder if they’d ever consider the White House to be a foreign government to topple.

[–] Stovetop@lemmy.world 23 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

When I heard about the targeted moves against the FBI by DOGE, I got to thinking that the FBI is not the sort of organization you want to anger if you have skeletons in your closet. And even if you don't, they'll put one there to find.

But I'm worried we're already at the point where the entire agency can be discredited (not entirely undeservedly) just because President Cheeto and Supreme President Musk could label any findings as "fake news" and the majority of Americans would take it as fact.

They could be the SA to whatever SS the Trump admin wants to replace them with (the Proud Boys?)

[–] lost_faith@lemmy.ca 11 points 7 hours ago

Didn't a black church get the rights to that name? 🤣

[–] Gonzako@lemmy.world -5 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

Yeah, this meme is just a glimpse at my external view of the events. To me the CIA, the FBI and those kind of agencies are just lumped together. Appreciated the info tho

[–] ZeroCool@slrpnk.net 20 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago) (2 children)

I mean, that nice and all but it’s just flat out nonsense. That’s not how the two alphabet agencies operate. It’s not a “vibes” based matter of opinion… Understanding how things actually work matters.

FBI = domestic

CIA = foreign

[–] Geometrinen_Gepardi@sopuli.xyz 20 points 7 hours ago (1 children)
[–] samus12345@lemm.ee 10 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago) (1 children)

Pretty sure it's just interstellar. Or did they ever mention other galaxies?

[–] Kitathalla@lemy.lol 10 points 5 hours ago

We're in a galaxy marble, mate, how could there be any others?

[–] guaraguaito@lemmy.blahaj.zone 33 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

(Also murders and discredits civil rights activists in the 60s-80s, so that’s a thing to keep in mind…)

[–] Gonzako@lemmy.world 4 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

Oh, yeah, I definitely ain't supporting their actions this way. It's just funny seeing a coup happen in public and them doing nothing

[–] spankmonkey@lemmy.world 16 points 7 hours ago

The people who are doing the coup are aligned with the historical practices of the FBI so it makes perfect sense to me.

[–] seven_phone@lemmy.world 21 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

I think that extends to America generally, all the talk of freedom and equality and now so easily camps are being set up to concentrate undesirable groups of people in and everyone is complying or pretending it's not happening.

[–] octopus_ink@lemmy.ml 18 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago) (1 children)

I don't know how much help we can expect from FBI and law enforcement. There was a bill a few years back proposing an investigation to see how deep white supremacy had penetrated law enforcement and the military. EVERY Republican representative voted it down.

🤔

[–] spankmonkey@lemmy.world 13 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

We can expect zero. The FBI has a long history of suppressing the civil rights movement and other progressive causes.

[–] seven_phone@lemmy.world 3 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

Yes but this is not a move to increase civil rights within a still recognisable political system it seems to be the openly declared transition from a democracy to something else via an explorative but expanding coup that is being actively ignored by the sitting powers and wider population.

[–] samus12345@lemm.ee 7 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

Democracy was always a roadblock to the FBI's goals of suppressing people anyway.

[–] seven_phone@lemmy.world 2 points 4 hours ago

What comes for people today will come for them tomorrow.

[–] DragonsInARoom@lemmy.world 6 points 7 hours ago (2 children)
[–] samus12345@lemm.ee 5 points 6 hours ago

Should, but won't. They only do that to progressives.

[–] lost_faith@lemmy.ca 5 points 7 hours ago

Careful, maybe disappear him to some black site