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Donald Trump has said that Palestinians have “no alternative” but to leave Gaza due to the devastation left by Israel’s war on Hamas, in effect endorsing ethnic cleansing of the territory over the opposition of Palestinians and the neighbouring countries.

Speaking as he prepared to host Israel’s prime minister, Benjamin Netanyahu, on Tuesday, Trump repeated the suggestion that Gaza’s population should be relocated to Jordan and Egypt – something both countries have firmly rejected.

Trump claimed Palestinians would “love to leave Gaza”, telling reporters: “I would think that they would be thrilled.”

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[–] ToastedPlanet@lemmy.blahaj.zone 44 points 1 day ago (17 children)

Accelerationism has made things worse for everyone. Now we have a US president who has declared his intention to ethnically cleanse the Gaza Strip of Palestinians. If you want things to get better then you have to act in a way that is useful to that end. That means voting for parties that are to the left of fascists and that have a chance of winning. In the US, that's the Democrats.

[–] Ghosthacked@lemm.ee 16 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

I don't think that legitimate elections are happening in 4 years. They're gutting everything and installing their flunkies just as they said they would in p2025.

The last election is where democracy died.

[–] ToastedPlanet@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 10 hours ago

The last election is where democracy died.

There are other countries with their own elections facing the threat of a fascist takeover. Canada has one on October 20, 2025 that could be called earlier.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2025_Canadian_federal_election

I don’t think that legitimate elections are happening in 4 years. They’re gutting everything and installing their flunkies just as they said they would in p2025.

I think that it is likely we will not get fair and free elections if any elections at all in 2026 and 2028. It's still possible that we do. We thankfully cannot rule out fascist incompetence in general, but we can't count on it either for specific things. Regardless if we do have elections or not, having a movement that can win elections in theory is still useful for resisting and defeating fascism.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 16 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

I am afraid that the time to vote your way out of this is at an end. There is no way Republicans will willingly give up all three branches of government.

[–] ToastedPlanet@lemmy.blahaj.zone 13 points 23 hours ago (4 children)

I am afraid that the time to vote your way out of this is at an end. There is no way Republicans will willingly give up all three branches of government.

Musk has control of the US Treasury Department payment system. Obviously not. Fascists don't hold elections.

I'm trying to get people to act in their own self-interest. It may be too late for us, but someone might learn something someday. People who survive the collapse of the US and climate change might make better choices.

If we don't tell people what went wrong here they will do it again.

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[–] Krauerking@lemy.lol 4 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

This is not a particularly helpful message for the time being since the election is past and won't be for a while at best.
This is more a wish on what could have been and leaves little room for current discourse when this is a dead end topic.

[–] ToastedPlanet@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 11 hours ago

This is not a particularly helpful message for the time being since the election is past and won’t be for a while at best.

Other countries will have elections to determine if they have a fascist takeover in the next four years and beyond. Canada's next election is October 20, 2025 but could be called sooner.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2025_Canadian_federal_election

This is more a wish on what could have been and leaves little room for current discourse when this is a dead end topic.

American accelerationists still need to learn their lessons. There was a hate crime in my home town recently against a member of the LGBTQ+ community. People in the local LGBTQ+ community went to a meeting to express their concerns directly to the police force responsible for conducting the investigation. This was an exercise in demonstrating power. The local news is talking about it and people know we will not accept intolerance.

So the election has passed in America, but many of us may find out there are opportunities to make a difference and be vocal. A person needs to understand that doing nothing isn't useful to participate in that kind of a moment.

Accelerationism is alive and well as is demonstrated by people in this comment section. So even though we can't change the 2024 election results, we are going to keep talking about them. If we do not, the 2026 and 2028 elections, which are not guaranteed to happen now, will look very similar. Even if there are no more elections in America there are still people who need help. They will not get that help unless people believe they need to be helping.

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[–] sozesoze@lemmy.world 24 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

The amount of hatred against phantom leftists that on the one hand lost the Dems the vote and on the other were too weak to have their demands considered is crazy.

No, these people didn't lose you the vote. They don't even exist in this ambivalent form. It was everyday citizens that heard Democrats push the same racist border talking points Trump spewed last election and went "Hm, if even the Dems say this is a problem, I'll vote the party that talked about how evil Migrants were for decades, the GOP". It's people tired of increasingly struggling to make ends meet and the Dems saying everything will stay the same, while Trump promised them change. We know that he just means destroying the last remnants of social security nets for poor people and everything that stands in the way for oligarchs making kaijulllian dollars. But people are stupid and desperate. Why can't the Democratic party be held to a higher standard than whatever this is?

[–] Scott_of_the_Arctic@lemmy.world 12 points 21 hours ago (4 children)

The Dems are constantly held to a vastly higher standard. This was true when trump first came to power too.

Hillary: competent politician, could have smiled more maybe, no big changes.

Trump: grab em by the pussy, pay hush money to porn stars, ramble incoherently.

Public: what about her emails?

[–] nsrxn@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 points 21 hours ago (2 children)

Hilary is responsible for Trump. she pushed him in the primary.

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[–] sozesoze@lemmy.world 9 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

No, they aren't. Expecting the Dems to get the vote by not being the fascists is a low standard. They have to present more than that. They didn't, in fact, and now the party blames leftists for not voting hard enough when it's their failure.

Jesus, when Luigi Mangione allegedly killed that healthcare CEO, it showed how the entire country liked seeing that, and the Democratic party has no idea what kind of campaign they could maybe run? I'm not saying they should run on a billionaire purge platform, but c'mon, maybe use your one billion dollar campaign funds for sending a message for you and not against the other one. Instead we got a 25k grant for a house purchase if you jump through three hoops. Wow, inspiring stuff.

And Hillary Clinton being characterized as making "no big changes" tells the whole story here. Her opponent went on a "drain the swamp", "we're going to make America great again" campaign and building up a hispanic and muslim scape goat. Everyone who is educated knew these were lies, but people were bad off, even then, and needed change. To be a hawkish candidate in a war exhausted society who runs on nothing but trying to achieve the first female presidential office is a weak attempt at saving America from Trump.

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[–] Freefall@lemmy.world 28 points 1 day ago (22 children)

Single-issue voters, when EVERYTHING was at stake, deserve all the hate they get, but are too stupid to understand. The worst kind of trumpers, ones that don't think they are.

[–] timewarp@lemmy.world 4 points 18 hours ago* (last edited 18 hours ago)

Everything was at stake, so Democrats brought out Dick Cheney, Mark Cuban & continued spewed anti-Palestinian messaging to help Trump win. Got it.

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[–] FriendBesto@futurology.today 49 points 1 day ago (2 children)

In fairness, this is BS. A leaked Israeli paper from early 2024 stated that that IDF and the Israeli's government overall goal WAS to remove all people from Gaza. Once and for all, if they could get away with it. The fact they systematically destroyed whole towns and places of culture educates us and reinforces that this was the plan all along. Trump is an Israeli puppet, nothing changes there, but the removal of people and the destruction of Gaza was the Israeli plan all along. This was known.

It is THEIR land. Their home. Why should they be shipped anywhere? That is an outright crime.

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[–] Bytemeister@lemmy.world 58 points 1 day ago (99 children)

Hey at least the genocide will be over! Trump is so much better than Kamala on this!

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[–] aseriesoftubes@lemmy.world 158 points 1 day ago (105 children)

This is completely fucking shocking. I hope all the Uncommitted folks are proud of themselves.

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[–] Clbull@lemmy.world 12 points 23 hours ago (6 children)
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