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[–] Jhex@lemmy.world 16 points 21 hours ago (5 children)

why are people frothing over Bluesky? this is just Twitter but owned by a different oligarch

[–] Spezi@feddit.org 6 points 19 hours ago

Yeah, why would I use BlueSky when I could just use my favorite platform named Threads?

Tap for spoilerJust kidding

[–] thisphuckinguy@lemmy.world 3 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

No clue. Never found those platforms to be useful, just toxic.

[–] Jhex@lemmy.world 1 points 18 hours ago

Same here... even when Twitter was not even in the sights of fElon I found it to be super toxic. I signed up because "it was the best way to get the news" and left in about 4 days

[–] freebee@sh.itjust.works 4 points 20 hours ago

Because they learned nothing

[–] Uniformly9@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

Because it isn't just Twitter. Nobody can buy the network, the same way nobody can buy email.

  • Anyone can host a server.
  • Anyone can make an app.
  • Anyone can make an algorithm.
  • Anyone can make a moderation service. Users can freely pick a server, app, algorithm, and moderation service.
[–] dnzm@feddit.nl 1 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

Yeah, no, not anybody can host a server. Sure, you can host a PDS, but the AppView still wasn't open source last time I looked, and hosting a relay requires tens of terabytes of storage, not to mention the bandwidth to keep up.

Meanwhile, people host actual activitypub instances on repurposed routers and their car entertainment system...

[–] Uniformly9@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 6 hours ago

Ngl thanks for the detail, I went and had another look so correct me if I’m wrong.

So if we wanted to undermine Bluesky’s currently - hopefully temporary - centralised state, we would need multiple community modified PDSs, a widely rehosted open source AppView webapp & iOS/Android clients, a very expensive relay that is community controlled via non profit or something, and then we would be federated with each other and the bluesky infrastructure too?

Sounds like a lot of work just to recreate the user-end functionality of ActivityPub :/ Very confused why they felt the need to invent ATProtocol? I have heard some vague praise of it over AP but I think I’m not technical enough to really properly make that comparison. It’s nice that ATProtocol gives you ownership of your data though.

Perhaps Mastodon/ActivityPub-apps need to improve their onboarding process and user experience. Maybe include the custom feeds feature for Bluesky too. Something has to have gone wrong for Mastodon to have failed where Bluesky succeeded.

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[–] arc@lemm.ee 11 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

Bluesky is like Twitter but with about 1/10th the idiots, and no mechanism that the idiots can elevate their racist, moronic hot takes above other comments.

[–] supersquirrel@sopuli.xyz 7 points 21 hours ago (4 children)

Bluesky will follow the same enshittification trajectory Twitter did, it is just the beginning of the rollercoaster where the coaster is slowly brought up to the top to be launched... and everyone is exclaiming "wow I haven't even thrown up yet!" as if that was any indicator of how much they were about to throw up...

[–] arc@lemm.ee 3 points 18 hours ago* (last edited 18 hours ago)

Maybe it will, but for the time being it hasn't. The experience is so vastly better than Twitter, that it's a no brainer to jump over. It also helps to have a decent competing platform that people like to suck users and influence away from the platform that Musk turned into a cesspit.

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[–] deczzz@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 15 hours ago

Decentralized FOSS socials are great technical achievements but I feel like the actual product that users will interact with are worse copy cats of already established social platforms. Mastodon is a Twitter clone, Lemmy is a reddit clone, peertube is a youtube clone. I love these FOSS/decen. platforms but the frontend that users actually interact with are just copies of already popular platforms, just with another backend. What innovative FOSS/decen. social platforms exist? Not talking about the backend but the user experience.

[–] Mio@feddit.nu 2 points 19 hours ago

Good with some competition. We need much more in that area.

[–] ArchRecord@lemm.ee 33 points 1 day ago (4 children)

To anyone bemoaning BlueSky's lack of federation, check out Free Our Feeds.

It's a campaign to create a public interest foundation independent from the Bluesky team (although the Bluesky team has said they support them) that will build independent infrastructure, like a secondary "relay" as an alternative to Bluesky's that can still communicate across the same protocol (The "AT Protocol") while also doing developer grants for the development of further social applications built on open protocols like the AT Protocol or ActivityPub.

They have the support of an existing 501c(3), and their open letter has been signed by people you might find interesting, such as Jimmy Wales (founder of Wikipedia).

[–] supersquirrel@sopuli.xyz 6 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

This is such a half-assed dog and pony show.

They have millions in investment, why do they need someone else to fund this? Why don't the bluesky team directly and materially support them?

This is a core aspect of Bluesky's marketing and they asking other volunteers to help make them rich.

[–] Fedizen@lemmy.world 2 points 20 hours ago* (last edited 20 hours ago) (1 children)

Until there's overt advertising its unlikely to enshittify the normal way. That doesn't mean it won't, just that a different capital process is at work. Wikipedia has outlived most of "web2.0" because its funded by donations and run by volunteers.

[–] supersquirrel@sopuli.xyz 2 points 19 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago) (1 children)

Until there's overt advertising its unlikely to enshittify the normal way.

Trust me we will be deep into that territory so fast it is going to make your head spin.

Wikipedia has outlived most of "web2.0" because its funded by donations and run by volunteers.

Private equity and VC funding can't directly buy Wikipedia and dissect it because it is an at least somewhat functional non-profit organization. That is the only reason.

[–] Fedizen@lemmy.world 1 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

What would a comparable example be?

[–] supersquirrel@sopuli.xyz 1 points 19 hours ago (2 children)
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[–] MITM0@lemmy.world 5 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

The only thing the Fediverse is missing is way to migrate from 1 instance to another

[–] ArchRecord@lemm.ee 4 points 21 hours ago

It actually does exist, at least on Mastodon, but is still very janky (e.g. old posts aren't moved over due to "technical limitations")

Automatically makes people unfollow your old account and re-follow your new account, then makes your old instance's link redirect to your new instance's one.

[–] bizza@lemmy.zip 2 points 19 hours ago

Ah yes, "free our feeds" where millionaire VCs are asking for donations

[–] ipkpjersi@lemmy.ml 10 points 1 day ago (3 children)

I feel like the reason the reason why it's taking off so much is because it's not federated.

It's like people hear the term federation and they get afraid. I know it's not that simple but still.

In other words, people don't know what they actually need.

[–] nexguy@lemmy.world 6 points 22 hours ago

I don't think 99% of people who have joined bluesky have any clue what federation is or means. They do know what "not twitter" is however.

[–] LandedGentry@lemmy.zip 17 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (8 children)

People are not afraid of the term “Federation.“ They literally have no clue what it is.

It’s the instance concept I find consistently to be an issue. It’s an extra layer/barrier to entry. You don’t just create an account. You have to understand what an instance is and then determine which one you’re joining and what that means for your moment to moment usage of the platform.

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[–] ArchRecord@lemm.ee 8 points 1 day ago (2 children)

I don't personally think it's because of that. Sure, federation as a concept outside of email has a bit of a messaging problem for explaining it to newbies, but... everyone uses email, and knows how that works. This is identical, just with it being posts instead of emails. Users aren't averse to federation, in concept or practice.

Bluesky was directly created as a very close clone of Twitter's UI, co-governed and subsequently pushed by the founder of Twitter himself, who will obviously have more reach than randoms promoting something like Mastodon, and, in my opinion, kind of just had better branding.

"Bluesky" feels like a breath of fresh air, while "Mastodon" just sounds like... well, a Mastodon, whatever that makes the average person think of at first.

So when you compare Bluesky, with a familiar UI, nice name, and consistent branding, not to mention algorithms, which Mastodon lacks, all funded by large sums of money, to Mastodon, with unfamiliar branding, minimal funding, and substantially less reach from promoters, which one will win out, regardless of the technology involved?

[–] RamenJunkie@midwest.social 3 points 20 hours ago

Its also, honestly, just really hard to find people on Mastodon.

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[–] scarabic@lemmy.world 18 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Is this 30 million accounts created? Active user numbers would be a lot more meaningful.

As an illustration, if you have a platform that’s gaining 100,000 users each month and losing 100,000 other users each month, it’s basically going nowhere. But it will eventually reach this “30 million users” milestone too if all it means is account creations.

[–] coolmojo@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago

I wonder how many of the 30 million accounts are bots.

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[–] ErinCrush@lemm.ee 17 points 1 day ago (8 children)

As a former mastodon believer, Bluesky is so much better. I'm sorry but the kind of content I wanted on mastodon was never there. Bluesky feels good. Things change, for sure. For now though? This is the best we have for a replacement for Twitter.

[–] QualifiedKitten@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I never actually used Twitter, but recently made accounts on Mastodon, Bluesky, and Pixelfed.

Pixelfed has been my favorite of the three so far... I'm finding that the image-based focus means my feed is mostly fun stuff, that leaves me feeling happy, not gloom and doom of news, snark, etc.

I'm not sure how long I'll use Mastodon, but I've been finding hashtags and users that I'm interested in following and interacting with, and the keyword filters have allowed me to limit (but not eliminate) the depressing stuff.

Bluesky pissed me the fuck off since I couldn't find a way to follow hashtags, only users, and the Lists thing was just not what I wanted either. Bluesky's filter is disappointing compares to Mastodon's too, since Mastodon allows you to hide filtered words behind a content warning or hide them completely, while Bluesky seems to only hide them completely.

[–] ErinCrush@lemm.ee 2 points 13 hours ago

While you can't follow hashtags you can follow "topics" like movies, tech, etc. They should do a better job of explaining how to use that feature though.

As for pixelfed, I'd love to use it. But the only use I have for Instagram is following local bands. Although there is a new site that's popped up recently that's like Instagram with a forum but only for bands and musicians to communicate with their local scenes. Very cool, old Internet kind of feel to it.

[–] naught101@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago

Bluesky has the network effect, at least for some domains of content. Mastodon has about 50% coverage of my domain of interests, but that's probably way less for many people.

Mastodon has the guaranteed lack of enshittification via decentralisation. Bluesky is promising it, but it seems far from guaranteed, and if it doesn't happen, I'm betting it'll enshittify about 4 times faster than twitter, because everything does these days..

So Bluesky is probably a better bet in the short term for general users.. I'm glad people are escaping twitter at least. But I'm sticking with Mastodon, 'cause fuck going through all that again in a couple of years.

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