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Instead of the perfectly-fine "expired" food going to the dumpster, feed people. Help the community.

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[–] Mbourgon@lemmy.world 65 points 1 year ago (2 children)

This is how our local food bank does it. When you give money to them, you’re not actually buying groceries. You’re paying for trucks, gasoline and drivers who go to the various grocery’s’ warehouses, who take what is nearing “throw out” and make it available for people.

This is why I laugh whenever a local grocery store has a “hunger food drive“ - there, you are literally just buying groceries for other people. Whereas our food bank prides itself on being able to feed people for $.20 a meal - it’s a huge force multiplier.

Give to your local area food bank.

[–] sploosh@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago

I do exactly this for a job. Some stores give lots of good stuff, some treat us like a garbage company.

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[–] tryptaminev@feddit.de 46 points 1 year ago (6 children)

Counter thought: food banks shouldnt be necessary because society should protect its weakest from starvation in an orderly manner and not by volunteer work and donations.

[–] afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

The people I have helped with at food banks were not at risk of literal starving they were at risk of eating the same 3 things all the time. Most of us take it for granted having a mind that works like this. Go buy ingredients and follow a recipe, try new ones, some diversity in diet. Instead of just buying endless jars of peanutbutter and crackers.

My local one is working on more mealkit type solutions. Here is everything you need and a paper recipe.

Kinda makes me sad. More food stamp money is probably not going to fix that problem, not sure what can be done. Maybe social workers setting up basic cooking classes?

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[–] Neato@kbin.social 32 points 1 year ago (7 children)

So putting myself into an asshole NIMBY's shoes: I bet a lot of people don't want to admit that they would prefer not to rub shoulders with people who needed foodbanks. And that is likely a major reason why a store wouldn't do this.

Also you'd need to staff it and if the food is free, that's an expense. Also the store space could be used for other merchandise so you're paying for a bigger footprint and to light, heat, cool, and clean it. I've been to some food banks and rarely are they in nice modern buildings.

I agree that it should happen instead of food being wasted. Those are just the reasons it wouldn't happen in a commercial store. I think a better idea would be to strictly regulate what food is allowed to be thrown out vs mandatory donating with huge fines for intentional contamination or waste.

[–] SirNuke@kbin.social 22 points 1 year ago (2 children)

If you talk to people about homelessness, they will readily admit they just don't want to see it. If go to any cheaper grocery store you definitely are rubbing shoulders with people who use foodbanks. Food insecurity doesn't go away just because you have a roof over your head.

The rub is a foodbank in a grocery store will attract the more visible "unreliable access to showers" type of user, which would be unacceptable.

[–] I_Fart_Glitter@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago

I pick up food for two families at a food bank every week. There are pretty much the same people there every week (it's a weekly pop up instance in a church parking lot). There are like, two homeless people out of about two hundred people. They are 99% young Latino families. They are the working poor. Homeless people don't really have a way to manage 5 pounds of carrots, 5 cauliflowers, a box of pasta, a dozen eggs and a big frozen chicken.

Homeless people go to the soup kitchens for hot prepared meals.

[–] Starglasses@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (6 children)

I get that, but then those "undesirsbles" can be directed to help. At first yea, lots of grimy people could show up. With time as those people get help, you'll see less and less. Change takes time. This change would be like removing a dam. A crazy surge of water, but then it calms to be the beautiful river it can be :)

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[–] altima_neo@lemmy.zip 8 points 1 year ago

The thing is people don't realize who needs food banks. They may not be aware their kids best friend, their coworker, etc. may be in need.

[–] WrittenWeird@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

I rub shoulders with Food Bank people all the time on my commute and they aren't the ones you worry about.

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[–] LimitedDuck@septic.win 19 points 1 year ago (4 children)

This would be a good thing, though I think it's trickier than it appears:

  • How arbitrary are "best before" and "expires on" labels and how do they differ from food to food?
  • How do the labels themselves differ from each other and how to do they differ from jurisdiction to jurisdiction?
  • Could acknowledging that "expired" food is still good cause expiry dates to just be extended? How far could they be extended before food actually is dangerous past the label?
  • How does liability work when someone gets sick from "expired" food? Does it change when it's part of a structured donation system?
[–] neptune@dmv.social 6 points 1 year ago (4 children)

I mean, to the last bullet, we have good Samaritan laws. We could totally pass a law that says "grocery stores can and should provide reasonably safe, leftover food to poor people and will not be punished if those reasonable actions result in bad things happening". You are allowed to just wail on an unconscious dudes chest for minutes until paramedics arrive and then not be sued for the three cracked ribs.

But cmon. We all know that grocery stores know that once people realize expired food is generally safe a) people will buy less food and b) people will show up to get free expired food and buy less food.

Scarcity is a necessity under capitalism. Movie theaters aren't going to release blooper reels for free. They add them to the credits or put them in the editors cut release. A luxury clothing brand isn't going to sell seconds, they will destroy or rework material that isn't sellable.

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[–] altima_neo@lemmy.zip 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I work in retail. Stuff already goes to food banks. The dates on those products are usually the sell by date, and quite arbitrary. They're mostly for quality sake, rather than "not safe to consume" sake. Like a loaf of bread may not be as moist and soft as it was when it was fresh, but it's perfectly fine to eat. Companies want you to be able to buy a product and expect consistent quality. But if you're hungry and in need, stale Oreos are better than no cookies at all.

[–] Starglasses@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Agree 100%

Not that it is expected to be content with stale oreos, but yea. Some is better than none :)

Perfection of quality expectations ruins so many things way too fast.

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[–] EvolvedTurtle@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Actually I work at Walmart and the expired food that's still reasonable to eat we donate

Still a shit ton of edibles food ends up trashed tho Everything that we can't freeze p much

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[–] NOT_RICK@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I know Grocers in NJ already donate items to food banks. I just looked up a food bank not too far from me and they claim 25% of their food is donated from local grocery stores.

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[–] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 4 points 1 year ago (5 children)

In the US the expired food goes to charity

[–] Starglasses@lemmy.blahaj.zone 8 points 1 year ago (3 children)

That's an extreme claim. Not believable.

[–] Pieisawesome@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Second harvest is a charity that specializes in exactly this.

They pick up food from grocery stores and distribute it.

There are chapters of second harvest across north america

[–] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Expired food? There might be laws against stuff like that.

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[–] greavous@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

Maybe not the best name. Second harvest is also a term for eating shit!

[–] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Well its true here in Colorado at least. They get Tax breaks for donating to charity and it doesn't need to be money

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[–] SilverFlame@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I worked produce in a supermarket for a little while. Our expired food was sent out to be used as animal feed. Not as good as charity but still a fine use for expired food.

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[–] Raiderkev@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

In a perfect world maybe. We threw out a ton when I worked at 1 ~ 5 years ago.

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[–] Seudo@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

Why would I buy food if it's free?

[–] cupcakezealot@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Food should be a human right and be free

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