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[–] RegalPotoo@lemmy.world 73 points 5 days ago (2 children)

It makes more sense if you understand that the "thorn" (Þ) is pronounced "th".

Interestingly, the thorn was in pretty common use until the printing press took off because most of the presses in England were imported from France and Germany, neither of which used the thorn so their typefaces didn't include one. For a while people used 'y' in place of the thorn (hence "ye olde"), but eventually it fell out of use all together

[–] lugal@sopuli.xyz 9 points 5 days ago

Printing press is one factor, another is French influence. Greek terms with that sound were written with like in French and so already competed with <þ> independent of the printing press.

[–] sem@lemmy.blahaj.zone 8 points 5 days ago (1 children)

I heard that y and th competed and th won in the end.

[–] JustAnotherKay@lemmy.world 1 points 5 days ago (1 children)

@RegalPotoo

(My understanding)

The thorn evolved as a pseudo glyph first, have you ever written a "th" really fast? Once the printing press was invented and widespread, it became less common for "th" to look like a thorn and it slowly fell out of use altogether

[–] lugal@sopuli.xyz 12 points 5 days ago (1 children)

That's wrong. Thorn was a runic letter before the Latin alphabet arrived in great Britain. Since the latter didn't have a letter for this sound, they used it from the older script. "þ" writing fast looks like "y" which is why that letter was used in print. Words For Granted as a podcast episode about lost letters of the English alphabet, including þorn.

[–] JustAnotherKay@lemmy.world 2 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Interesting! I wonder what other linguistic history I have slightly wrong lol

ᚦ is Thurisaz rune.

[–] TriflingToad@sh.itjust.works 6 points 4 days ago (1 children)

you NEED to hear the voice actor reading this
https://youtu.be/HguKPVgIZL8

[–] Kazumara@discuss.tchncs.de 6 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

Little bit of a shame that he reads the thorn as b :-(

Otherwise pretty funny

[–] sem@lemmy.blahaj.zone 31 points 5 days ago

May we all be nat eton.

[–] FundMECFSResearch@lemmy.blahaj.zone 16 points 5 days ago (1 children)

I thought this was a really secluded and niche Scots dialect before realising it was just old english.

[–] Taalnazi@lemmy.world 2 points 3 days ago

ġīese, is eald Englisc; ac nis Eald Englisċ; hwæt ic cweþe hát Eald Englisċ.

Sé mema is on Middelenglisċ.

[–] EvacuateSoul@lemmy.world 29 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (2 children)

A frog is a wee beast with four legs which lives both in water and on land. He is brown, green, or yellow, or if he is tropical, he may be diverse colors. He has lungs and gills both. He haches from an egg and he then is a tadpole. He grows to be a frog if he is not eaten.

[–] funkless_eck@sh.itjust.works 6 points 4 days ago (1 children)

arguably if you're translating then "wee beast" should be "small animal."

[–] EvacuateSoul@lemmy.world 6 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

That is arguable. I wouldn't want to rob it of its flavor. 'Wee beast' is unusual, but it's fine English already.

[–] funkless_eck@sh.itjust.works 2 points 4 days ago

The argument - that I don't particularly care about, just idling commenting - is would that be translation or transliteration.

[–] JustAnotherKay@lemmy.world 6 points 5 days ago (1 children)

"Hatches from an egg" caught me up a bit but I could read this otherwise

You don't care but I was excited

[–] EvacuateSoul@lemmy.world 4 points 5 days ago

I just know it from Schnappy das kleine Krokodil we learned in German class haha

[–] SkunkWorkz@lemmy.world 20 points 5 days ago (1 children)

This is like Frisian and English mixed together. As a Dutch man I could stil read this. Except had to figure out that ſ is an s

[–] TempermentalAnomaly@lemmy.world 9 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Fun Fact: Old English and Old Frisian are closely related.

[–] SkunkWorkz@lemmy.world 12 points 4 days ago (1 children)

This is probably Middle English. Old English is harder to read https://ang.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frogga

[–] Swedneck@discuss.tchncs.de 5 points 4 days ago (1 children)

it really just looks like someone who speaks english, german, and swedish got a severe head injury

[–] prettybunnys@sh.itjust.works 4 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Lots of head injuries going around back then

[–] Swedneck@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 4 days ago

as evidenced by the existence of france

[–] yozul@beehaw.org 20 points 5 days ago (1 children)

If anyone is having trouble reading this, it might help to know that "þ" is the same as "th". That's more widely known than it used to be, but it's still pretty niche.

[–] fxomt@lemm.ee 17 points 5 days ago (1 children)

adding onto this, that weird f looking letter in "beeſt" is actually a long S. So it's read as "beest"

[–] Sas@beehaw.org 9 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Oh no did this mean frogge is just a wee lil beast 🥺

[–] fxomt@lemm.ee 5 points 5 days ago

a wee beest with foure legges bop on water and on lond 🥺

[–] davidagain@lemmy.world 15 points 5 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

I read this all in a broad Scots accent. Which is possibly a pretty accurate choice. ~~Old English~~ Early middle English and lowland Scots are very, very similar as languages.

[–] EnIdiot@lemmy.world 6 points 5 days ago (1 children)

It is early Middle English not Old English.

[–] davidagain@lemmy.world 2 points 4 days ago

Ah, how right you are! Sorry, I'll edit.

[–] fox2263@lemmy.world 23 points 5 days ago (3 children)

Thought I was reading Dutch there at first. But it was just idiot

[–] EnIdiot@lemmy.world 7 points 5 days ago

No, can confirm.

Actually early Middle English and Dutch were not that far apart. More French, of course, but a lot of Germanic verbs and vocabulary that matched up with Dutch.

[–] Rozauhtuno@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 5 days ago

They're the same picture

[–] Noel_Skum@sh.itjust.works 2 points 5 days ago

You were not alone…

[–] gwilikers@lemmy.ml 1 points 3 days ago

Read this in Swedish Chef's voice.

[–] I_am_10_squirrels@beehaw.org 8 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Where can I find more descriptions like this?

[–] antonim@lemmy.dbzer0.com 26 points 5 days ago (2 children)

It's from the proposed Middle English Wikipedia. Here's the frogge article, here are all articles that have been written. But the no-fun-allowed Wikimedia killed it off.

[–] azi@mander.xyz 12 points 5 days ago (1 children)

They allow conlangs but not historical languages?? What the actual fuck

[–] sunbather@beehaw.org 11 points 5 days ago

its weird and lame middle english was killed off, particularly as theres old english available

[–] IndieSpren@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

There's a lot of articles written in middle English that make sense on that list, like languages, locations, historical events, historical figures, etc.

Then there's also brainfuck, genshin, and this beauty.

[–] rbos@lemmy.ca 5 points 5 days ago

Late middle English?

[–] don@lemm.ee 7 points 5 days ago

I can hear the YouTube video done about this.

[–] gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.de 4 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Who makes up such funny words?

[–] stray@pawb.social 9 points 5 days ago

This is just how English used to be.

[–] Rin@lemm.ee 3 points 5 days ago

Surely, i'm having a stroke

[–] RebekahWSD@lemmy.world 2 points 5 days ago

I thought this was Froggy Went A Courtin for a moment before reading more.

[–] wizardbeard@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 5 days ago
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