The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command.
-- George Orwell, 1984
(Edit: quoted the whole passage previously but that's not really necessary)
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Ah yes, because a video of a Nazi salute isn't antisemetic but a jewish college student protesting apartheid and wearing a keffiyeh is! What a time to be alive!
What a time to be alive
I wonder what life would have been like to at least just not know that there are so many evil people out there. I'm jealous of that.
I feel like I'm stuck in a spot where I feel ignorant if I tune out but depressed as fuck if I don't.
Don't get exhausted before the real fight, otherwise we're doomed. I better start seeing more of ya'll taking the day off work and risking your salary to stop Nazi's, otherwise you might as well be one yourself.
Dude what the fuck. This is not how you encourage action.
Okay, keep working for your salary and don't show up to protests, see what happens. You'll either fight them eventually or take their side to pay the bills.
I’m not totally convinced that protests matter at all. Riots seem to be much more effective. And labor strikes. If you can file a permit to protest then you already know that it’s permitted because it’s not a threat to the system.
Hard agree. If rioters burned down mansions instead of small businesses we'd see change sooner.
I used to go to a lot of protests. I moved to a bigger city, partially to do so. I don't feel any of the protests moved the needle at all, unfortunately. I got a call from a former friend of mine (who had already gone off the deep end into conspiracy theories) because he saw me on Alex Jones who was rolling C-SPAN footage of a protest. It was under 10 degrees F that night. My partner at the time almost got frostbite.
But you go on ahead and be entirely unempathetic and assuming you know people's lives based on jack shit.
This is why we can't have nice things. People with similar political goals cannot even be slightly nice to each other. You clearly were just waiting to jump down my throat.
Oh I used to, and still do, go to a lot of protests. I make the choice to do so, and continue doing so. I agree they haven't moved the needle one bit, which is why I keep telling everyone at these protests "We should be doing this in gated communities outside the houses of millionaires and billionaires, not outside buildings they never go to block traffic for other workers." Would you go back to protesting if say an Occupy or BLM movement happened in gated communities, outside the homes of the rich?
Yeah, I would if anything about the protest seemed like it could make it more effective. You could stand to treat people better, and so could I. I'm in a bad fucking spot and I just really don't need to be chided like this shit is even .0000000000001% my fault. It's fucking not. I didn't ask for this shit world/country.
Can't change the past, but we can make the future together comrade. Because doing nothing is doing something. Sorry you're having a hard time, I am too, recent Graves disease diagnoses basically has me out of work and stuck inside for the next year less I have a heart attack. Seeing that Nazi salute and everyone downplaying that has fueled a fire in me, which doesn't help my heart. I refuse to back down though and be complacent, especially if it means dying. Feels good to believe in something you're willing to die for though, beats being lost and used.
EDIT - I want to smile like this guy one day:
I wish you luck with your health. The mental anguish getting inflicted right now... I don't know how we can move forward. I hope I can find a way to feel at all useful. Not seeing it, yet.
I recently read the book 'Dawn of Everything' which is a somewhat expose on some of the data about humans, human nature, and inequality discovered by anthropologists and archaeologists in the last 20 or so years thanks to modern technology, and while I'm weary of any "grand narratives" on human evolution like say 'Guns, Germs, and Steel', 'Sapiens', 'The Next/Last 100 Years' I find that the actual scientific evidence paints a much more optimistic view of humans and our politics without being shy about our wickedness. In short our so-called "development" isn't linear at all, and the limits to our societies is simply our imaginations. Human beings are destined for freedom and communion, the more our technology breaks social barriers the closer we move towards a global village. The difference is I don't think we've ever been closer to that, and that excites me. Consider this my thanks :)
limits to our societies is simply our imaginations
Just to add, I think this is and always has been true. It was always what I found comforting. I used to be way more hopeful.
...It's just a question of whose imaginations get acted upon.
The acting part is important. They're all action and no theory, we're all theory and no action. I mean they stormed the capitol for god's sake. I want to start reading more on Fred Hampton, Angela Davis, Gil Scott Heron, back when the left still existed before being squashed by the police and FBI. Their torch needs to be carried now more than ever.
Thanks for that recc. I just found it on Libby. I hope it hits me like it did you.
It's reeeeaaaaally wordy, I recommend audiobook or read along with audiobook. It's not complicated language or anything it's just reeeeaaaally dense, i'd take breaks between pages to digest what I've read.
Yeah, I went audiobook. I'm out of practice with reading books in print and I get very sleepy when I try. If I do audiobooks I can be doing other mindless tasks and also absorbing the material. And I don't mind rewinding if I miss something.
We have a lot in common TrickDacy.
Thanks for bearing with me and turning the convo around. I really think people on the left, even if fairly different on the spectrum, really gotta stick together right now. Lemmy is often not of the same opinion in my experience.
Likewise. There is far too much ego on the left sometimes, too busy trying to dunk on eachother with who has the best theory or whatever. It's time for us to address our common goals, remember how united everyone was with Luigi for a moment? It's there, right under the surface, it's only a matter of time and £$billions are being spent trying to suppress it. They're losing, thrashing, and flailing. Idk if we should just mercy finish them off or just let nature take its course, my inner angel cries to help them but we all agree they're not trying to help us.
There is far too much ego on the left sometimes, too busy trying to dunk on eachother with who has the best theory or whatever.
Agreed. Countless times I've seen this. It's so counter productive. I think it happens because we are all so pissed off that we vent our anger when we get a chance. Simple, stupid, human nature.
It's animalistic nature to blow off steam, it's human nature to take a deep breath and respond instead of react. But yeah, I think the reason us leftist fight so much is because we're the only ones willing to give eachother the conversation xD
the reason us leftist fight so much is because we’re the only ones willing to give eachother the conversation
That is interesting. I'd not considered that but it does sort of make sense. For years I tried to talk to my conservative parents, friends, and family about this stuff. I don't think they ever listened, truly.
Yeah I know what you mean. Sucks too when they call themselves liberals but are conservatives in practice, they live in a very comfortable little box thanks to their paychecks, so they have no reason or need to think about the problems because "The markets are better than ever, it's working well for me, I need to work with it to feed my family." Historically, it's always those people who turn coat and turn reporter for the fascists to save their own skin. Hence my statement that if you choose your comfort and paycheck over resisting against tyranny then you're part of the problem (the royal you, not you in particular.)
Netanyahu has defended Hitler so it's not like he doesn't have a track record.
The spiritual predecessor of his party actively tried to ally with the Nazi's during WW2.
I'd like to read more about this. Explain?
Believing that Nazi Germany was a lesser enemy of the Jews than Britain, Lehi twice attempted to form an alliance with the Nazis, proposing a Jewish state based on "nationalist and totalitarian principles, and linked to the German Reich by an alliance".
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lehi_(militant_group)
Yitzhak Shamir was one of the leaders of Lehi, who went on to become the 7th PM of Israel. He joined Herut who merged into Likud, and served as leader of the Likud before Netanyahu.
Shockingly, it’s not even the most bat shit insane idea possible. One of the Nazi’s preliminary ideas for “what to do with the Jewish population of europe” was simply mass exile, I believe Madagascar was their favorite. But, had the campaign for North Africa gone differently, they coulda been the ones to set up the Israeli state. Who knows what the ramifications of that would have been, but it’s hard to imagine it being better for the local inhabitants in the short term.
Madagascar was chosen because the Nazis knew it couldn't sustain the population and they'd starve to death.
The plan was extermination. Always.
What people have to accept now is that it is not 1930, and modern Nazis are less worried about Jewish people in particular than "whiteness" and restablishing a patriarchy.
Further, the ones who still adhere to anti-semitic ideas quite like the idea of gathering all Jewish people into a Zionist state for the same reason they liked the Madagascar plan:
It's easier to slaughter them that way compared to a diaspora. A notion they share with certain members of Hezbollah as it happens.
Ah yes, let us trust the fascist to tell us that the another fascist is clear of wrongdoing.
I'd be willing to bet the Jewish community outside of Israel doesn't agree with Netanyahu's sentiments on Musk
I don't know, I tend to agree for the most part, but I think there are more conservative jews than you think, even in america.
Oh yeah there are. I just went a Jewish funeral in America and the sentiment of those attending do not match what we would prefer. Very much pro-Israel.
Funny enough it was the older man they didn't want to invite because he was an A-hole racist and Trump supporter (apparently not anymore) who spent the whole time "bringing down the mood" by talking about how bad things have gotten.
Nothing makes sense anymore
Nazi sticks up for other nazi.
Of course a Fascists would help another fascist.
This is what kills the ADFs and Israeli whining on antisemitism.
They'll call any statement saying Palestinians aren't disposable refuse antisemitic. Yet, when a guy they like does literal Nazi salutes while quote tweeting shit from the protocols of the elders of Zion "oh he's just having fun".
These are the most antisemitic organizations on the planet. They don't care about protecting Jews, they care about protecting Israel and will gladly allow an antisemite propagandist in their ranks if it furthers that cause.
War criminal defends honor of newly minted fascist.
technically, space karen smeared himself.
lots of people just pointed it out.
He relies on us for his ammo. He will say whatever the admin wants him to in order to get that ammo.
Find a less indebted Jewish source of commentary.
So what happens to Musk when Trump dies of his shitty health? Vance is owned by Theil and Theil doesn’t like Musk, going all the way back to PayPal’s inception.
This timeline fucking stinks.
I keep thinking I'm going to wake up. Or maybe this is hell. Hell wouldn't be just torture, but also some dangling of false hope.
Not surprising. I bet that little bit of US government "waste" will continue to be as wasteful as ever, if not more so.
It's completely unfair to accuse Musk of Nazi heiling. Just because he has expressed clearly Nazi tendencies, and his parent were Nazi's too, that moved to South Africa because white supremacism dominated and was the law of the land.
Fascism certainly does make for truly strange bedfellows
I wonder what my grandfather, who escaped the camps, or his parents, who were murdered in front of him, would think.
Pot, meet kettle.