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Context https://lemmy.world/comment/14641595
Anyone, who doesn’t tread the „destroy Israel“ party line gets banned from !politics@lemmy.world
Edit: although people here hate Israel and different opinions with a passion, nobody could cite the actual rule I broke.
You don’t understand that ICJ genocide cases take years to legally prove therefore you think it isn’t genocide. They’ve killed 40,000+ civilians. That’s literally genocide. What did you expect? You should get off lemmy with such a horribly wrong opinion. No where should welcome such ideology.
Edit: bro thought they really got us with the edit
The number of dead isn’t sufficient for something to be called a genocide. A very special intent to destroy dolus specialis has to be proven.
Genocide is violence that’s targeted at individuals of a specific group because of their membership of said group in order to destroy the whole.
You reply that 40,000 isn’t enough since the most recent war? It starts over 100 years ago. How many need to die? All of their land but two small portions has been taken. Culture destroyed. Homes taken. Many killed.
No one with any human decency thinks like this. Read a book before you continue to cite non-existent facts.
Blocked.
Intent to destroy isn’t evident. The IDF took ample precautions against civilian deaths.
We don’t know how many combatants are among the 40,000. The only number available is the IDF estimate of 15,000. Hamas and other militant groups only publish their martyred combatants a while after hostilities have concluded and international attention has withdrawn.
A combatant to civilian death ratio of 1:3 would be fairly good for a war in a dense urban environment against a deeply entrenched and fortified enemy.
Also is you compared the destruction of buildings to the number of dead, it’s obvious that mostly empty buildings were destroyed.
Culture destroyed. Homes taken. Many killed.
Palestinian culture is very much alive in Israel and Palestine.
If you want to go over the last 100 years of this conflict, pay attention to the number of deaths. October 7th 2023 had the most deaths in a single day of the whole conflict. The ensuing Gaza war then followed up with likely more deaths in a year, than over the whole conflict combined including Arab armies.
Lots of terrible things happened before this war, but they don’t amount to genocide.
What’s been happening here is a watering down of the crime of genocide, just to demonize Israel.
You got banned for genocide denial because you were literally denying genocide. Did you think you weren't denying genocide, or did you think that denying genocide should be allowed on a politics community?
The ICJ has a reputation for its failures to stop past genocides and waiting until it does not matter anymore before they finally submit the judgement. Besides genocide denial you are factually incorrect.
YDI.
It's genocide by any other definition. You can split hairs all you want and call it "crimes against humanity" or whatever, but it's a distinction without much difference when we're talking about targeted missile strikes upon schools, hospitals, and apartment buildings. Pedantry isn't going to convey some nuance that people are missing, and the mods were right to put a stop to it.
YDI.
You're a genocide denier. No ifs, ands or buts.
Yet another person to tag as a Zionist in Voyager, so I can downvote any comments of theirs I run across.
YDI for the reasons others have already listed, and also Y'dDI here for your efforts to rule lawyer after the fact.
There's no "rule" against promoting genocide because it's just common human decency that shouldn't need a rule.
It's like making a rule against posting videos of yourself eating poop. Just don't do it.
If the price of stopping genocide denial is letting them eat poo freely online I will accept it.
YDI and I’m blocking you for being a genocide denier and an overall fucking moron based on numerous comments.
Also I bet you’re a shit ass boyfriend why would anyone want to date a genocide denier.
What you said was disgusting and abhorrent. It should have been removed.
7 days is very lenient. Take it on the chin and reflect.
This is disgusting hasbara. You should be ashamed of yourself.
Indeed the more he speaks, the more it becomes clear this was a vector of attack on Israel's behalf
But Israel IS demonic.
Well, I'm going to start off with the obvious thing. You absolutely do not have a leg to stand on as far as what you said being genocide denial. You can quibble about semantics all you want, but that's literally what you did.
That being said, you're right about one thing. Genocide denial isn't an explicitly listed rule.
But you still broke multiple rules. The fact that you can't see that genocide denial falls under them, even though it is most definitely not listed as a specific rule of its own, that may be a thing where c/politics needs to refine its rules for better understanding, or it may be that you need to understand that you don't have to list every possible iteration of a broad rule for it to be part of a rule.
Then, if you go to the very bottom of their rules it does explicitly state that posts and comments may be removed even if they don't break any enumerated rules. My app doesn't let me flip back and forth to copy/paste what's written there word for word, but he mod action taken is within their stated standards.
Do I think that them using a ban reason that doesn't match their rules in wording was a good idea? Hell no. They should have just listed it as an extension of their misinformation rule, and there wouldn't be any question about it being appropriate. Seriously, you have made comments about the debate over whether or not the actions of Israel meet the definition of genocide, but the debate is essentially being framed on shaky ground to begin with, and none of the "it isn't" arguments hold water. So they definitely fall under misinformation.
Now, was your comment ban worthy? Maybe, maybe not. If it was your first offense, I'd say anything beyond a one day ban was over the top. I don't have the patience to sift through your user history to know how prone you are to that kind of thing. But it is a temporary ban. That's not going to be PTB territory under these circumstances. Temp bans are a tool to give a user time to cool down, think, and hopefully reach out for clarification. That's not power tripping at all. A permanent ban over a single offense, that might be power tripping, depending on the circumstances. It probably would be unless it was for an explicitly listed rule, and/or permabans are listed as a consequence for violating core rules.
So, summing up. This is not power tripping because your comment did break rules, and the ban is temporary. That you didn't understand the rules is irrelevant to that. Take this as a chance to clarify things with that community, and possibly suggest (in a calm and polite manner) that the rules be reworded so that better understanding is possible in the future
Edit: rule 3 is where they list misinformation. It isn't very well written, imo, but it's there
Good.
Yep. c/politics on .world is NOT neutral in any shape or form. Before the election, not only did I say that I was going to vote for a third party, but that third party is Socialist Workers Party. The SWP is also pro Israel (tho I'm neutral on that part---I'm all about their pro-union stance).
I STILL have people from .world stalking me, tracking me, and trying to get me banned from other instances. Even tho the election is over now and the drama was months ago. lmao
.world will absolutely fucking ban you for not agreeing with them. Lemmy, in general is quick to ban/block anyone who disagrees with them, but .world is especially pro-censorship.
Their pro Israeli union not human union.