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[–] A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world 38 points 1 day ago (10 children)

Everyone knows it was a Nazi Salute.

Nazi's just denying it because 1) they are not quite at the point where they can sieg heil while marching down mainstreet just yet and 2) because it amuses them to see the left try to desperately convince them it was a nazi salute.

All your desperate justification, facts, evidence, etc?

It wont make a nazi not a nazi.

but it will amuse them, and exhaust you.

Its time to stop using words against nazis, and go back to using forms are communication that carry a more physical finality to their arguments.

[–] jaemo@sh.itjust.works 4 points 20 hours ago

Yep.

Now each of us has to answer: are we going to sit down at the table currently seating n number of Nazis, and let it become n+1.

Stop enriching this freak.

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[–] AeonFelis@lemmy.world 25 points 1 day ago* (last edited 21 hours ago) (2 children)

They are not the baddies because of a Nazi salute. They are baddies because of shitload of other things. Which I'm starting to think the Nazi solute is a distraction from. I see so many posts about the salute and the "Gulf of America" and about assigned-at-conception gendering, and almost nothing about the executive orders that actually have implications.

[–] OsrsNeedsF2P@lemmy.ml 8 points 22 hours ago* (last edited 22 hours ago) (1 children)

Finally, someone who gets it. I've been documenting all of this outrage on Lemmy over the last week and I'm gonna blog about how much real things we missed in the meantime.

[–] Dagwood222@lemm.ee 8 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

Gish Gallop.

The opposition can't get anything done if you produce an unending stream of nonsense for them to counter.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gish_gallop

[–] ChonkyOwlbear@lemmy.world 3 points 21 hours ago

Also Bannon's "flood the zone with shit".

[–] drthunder@midwest.social 6 points 21 hours ago

I get where you're coming from, but if someone can get away with doing things associated with a group that's shorthand in the West™ for the worst people in the world, I do think that's a problem too.

[–] LustyArgonianMana@lemmy.world 29 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Wrote up a summary months ago (with reputable sources!) and warned about Nazis too and was permabanned from Lemmy news and politics for it.

Idk man, you can tell people stuff, but it's so hard for them to access what's real right now. There's a concerted online effort to suppress factual info.

https://lemmy.world/comment/13431373

Someone who doesn't pick as many internet fights as me needs to post that to BestOfLemmy

[–] BeMoreCareful@lemmy.world 35 points 1 day ago (3 children)

He's basically an edge lord 4-channer, Nazi saluting to: "own the libs" is sort of on brand.

I don't think he's a dyed in the wool Führer-lover. I do think he's a hyper insecure, spoiled, man-child with enough ties to the far right to idolize "anti-social behavior" and think he's the hottest shit ever to pull off such a "based" stunt.

A poser; doing loser shit opening the door for someone/something much worse because his idiot brain thinks he's being cute.

[–] in4apenny@lemmy.dbzer0.com 49 points 1 day ago (6 children)

You basically just described every fascist/Nazi ever while arguing that he's not really a Nazi just "edgy." Let's not make this same mistake again, hyper insecure spoiled man-children with enough ties to the far right to idolize anti-social behavior ARE NAZIS.

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[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 14 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

I don’t think he’s a dyed in the wool Führer-lover.

No, of course not. He's a dyed-in-the-wool Afrikkkaner. It's a Dutch/English strain of Fascism far more in line with the American brand than the German/Nordic Central European brand.

A poser; doing loser shit opening the door for someone/something much worse because his idiot brain thinks he’s being cute.

A professional sycophant and corrupt corporate hack who has made a cool trillion selling exploding cars, crashing spaceships, and non-existent subway systems. He's anything but a loser, as he's perfectly hacked the modern capitalist system.

The Nazi pastiche he's adopted is intended to keep those super-sized government contracts and cheap private loans coming. Same reason he pays teams of pro-gamers to run his video game accounts and throws the biggest, most debauched orgies in Silicon Valley or Austin, TX. Same reason he nearly killed himself and Peter Thiel doing burnouts in a brand new McLauren.

TrueAnon Podcast has a great three-part series "The Lamest Show On Earth" that takes a deep dive into Musk's background. Does a great job of laying out who this guy is and how he's successfully grifted his way to the pinnacle of the western business ziggurat. The most that can be said of him is that he loves to dominate other people. The explicit flavor of fascism is secondary.

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[–] endeavor@sopuli.xyz 36 points 1 day ago (11 children)

Inventing a time machine that lets you go back and kill hitler before he gets in power is a very common power fantasy.

[–] in4apenny@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Yet today when Americans have 2A and 11 guns per person instead of killing tyrants they'll side with them out of convenience and self preservation. The apathetic centrist majority who think political illiteracy is the reasonable and sensible position are the biggest asset to fascism.

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[–] Blackmist@feddit.uk 20 points 1 day ago (2 children)

I'm starting to think that doing enough Ketamine to take down a racehorse just before giving a speech to the entire world's media, was probably not a good idea...

[–] in4apenny@lemmy.dbzer0.com 19 points 1 day ago

Being a Nazi doesn't help either.

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[–] shittydwarf@lemmy.dbzer0.com 244 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (5 children)

Journalists: It appeared to be a South African karate chop of some kind

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[–] psx_crab@lemmy.zip 27 points 1 day ago

The fact this is a debatable thing is the shame of humanity.

You know what's even worst? ADL.

[–] apfelwoiSchoppen@lemmy.world 213 points 1 day ago (11 children)

It has been maddening how corporate media has been trying to tell us it was anything but a Nazi salute. I'm reminded of the Star Trek episode Chain of Command Part II, "There are four lights!"

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