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Summary

Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez criticized Elon Musk after he made a gesture during Trump’s inauguration resembling a Nazi salute.

Musk and his allies dismissed the comparison, calling such accusations exaggerated.

Ocasio-Cortez, however, called the gesture unacceptable, emphasizing America’s history of opposing Nazis and the Confederacy.

She also condemned the Anti-Defamation League for defending Musk, accusing it of losing credibility.

Her comments sparked broader debate on symbols, gestures, and their implications amid Trump’s return to office.

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[–] TachyonTele@lemm.ee 269 points 5 days ago (3 children)

If she's the only one in office that's willing to say anything about this, we're in a lot more trouble than we thought.

[–] Xanthobilly@lemmy.world 104 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (7 children)

Oh, it’s even worse: Dem leadership is actively suppressing her ascendancy.

Fixed

[–] danc4498@lemmy.world 58 points 5 days ago (5 children)

Democratic leadership is gonna fuck everything up. We need a new branch of the party similar to what the tea party did for Republicans. They may not be relevant today, but I believe they permanently changed the Republican Party (for the worse in my liberal opinion).

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[–] DarkFuture@lemmy.world 20 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Fascism isn't coming.

It's here.

And the number of people standing up against it is so small it's practically the butt of a joke.

We're cooked. Buy a gun. Protect yourself.

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[–] Treczoks@lemmy.world 103 points 4 days ago (4 children)

AOC, you personally might hate Nazis, but your country voted them into the White House, the congress, and the Senate. I wish you the best to fight the scum, like real Americans did 80 years ago.

[–] DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 12 points 4 days ago

The ones who don't aren't our countrymen and I look forward to the day enough of us recognize it.

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[–] Mpeach45@lemmy.world 149 points 5 days ago (4 children)

It didn’t resemble a Nazi salute. It was a Nazi salute.

[–] DarkFuture@lemmy.world 48 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

Yup. Twice in a row. Exactly as the Nazis did it.

Stand to attention facing the crowd. Hand to chest, then full extension. Turn around to face the Fuhrer, or if he isn't there, the Nazi flag. Then stand to attention and sieg heil again.

He did it. It's not debatable. Don't engage in debate with bad actors attempting to rewrite this history. The richest man in the world, who will act in an official capacity in the White House, is openly a Nazi. Because you are a Nazi if you perform a Nazi salute.

[–] jballs@sh.itjust.works 53 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Yeah all these media sources keep saying things like "a day after Musk used an arm gesture, twice, that resembled the Roman salute adopted by the Nazis."

It's blatantly obvious that they're afraid of getting sued. Kind of like instead of saying someone lied, they'll soften it up to say they made a statement that some fact checkers may disagree with.

[–] funkless_eck@sh.itjust.works 31 points 5 days ago

I remember Robert Evans from BTB saying that when he worked in journalism, ANY story on a rich person was automatically followed up on by a lawsuit from the person in question, so they'd have legal on a retainer ready to respond.

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[–] Blackmist@feddit.uk 120 points 5 days ago (3 children)

Behold the one prominent US politician with any principles.

And for that she will never be allowed near any real power...

[–] Zombiepirate@lemmy.world 57 points 5 days ago

It's one of the reasons reactionaries hate her so much.

And also that she's a woman of color who didn't stay "in her place."

And it's so annoying to hear liberals parrot the same shit because the conglomerates who own liberal media don't want to change the status quo.

[–] GrammarPolice@lemmy.world 23 points 5 days ago (8 children)
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[–] StopTouchingYourPhone@lemmy.world 80 points 4 days ago (9 children)

National identity is imaginary, powerful and useful. What she's choosing to claim with hers is badass. It's brash, in-your-face, heroic. Anti-apathy. And our world needs tonnes more of it.

As an activist irl, and someone targeted daily by nazis for years, AOC has no illusions about the current state of fash in the USofA, nor the history and current state of slavery and genocide in the world. Nazis (and other misogynists) will tell you she's ignorant and deluded, but you know she's not. She's manifesting, and the irony is lovely.

If you want to live in the country she does - against all the opposition activists for the common good constantly face - claim it as she claims it. Go find your allies irl and stop letting powerful men tell you there's no point trying anything. Your enemy says you're not a real person, but a thing God put on earth for them to use or destroy.

Tough love: Hope is hard work. Apathy is an easy trap that flatters your intelligence while it kills your spirit. Trust yourself and make a choice: who is your enemy and how are you going to treat them?

[–] Zombiepirate@lemmy.world 20 points 4 days ago (1 children)

I heard an interview with the sci-fi author Kim Stanley Robinson, and he said something that I love: "pessimism is almost a dereliction of duty."

If we want the world to be a better place, we have to make it a better place.

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[–] Anahkiasen@lemmy.blahaj.zone 15 points 4 days ago

Thank you, this comment section has some of this cynisim already. Yes she's saying very eviden things but the other side is winning precisely by creating a culture of fear and overwhelming toxicity and locking you in echo chambers that eat at you by making you think their normal is The normal. It's not lying than to project what you want into the world until enough people are in on it and pressure bad elements into hiding or into changing path.

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[–] BadJojo@communick.news 95 points 5 days ago (10 children)

Do we though? Do we really, truly, hate Nazis? The evidence so far is not that conclusive.

I hate Nazis, but I don't think the country as a whole hates Nazis.

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[–] masquenox@lemmy.dbzer0.com 72 points 4 days ago (3 children)

In This Country, We Hate Nazis

Lol! No they don't.

The US has always loved fascism. It's the only one of two political ideologies it endorses.

[–] mcdutchie@r.nf 29 points 4 days ago

Nazism is almost an American export, even. See, for example, How the Nazis were inspired by Jim Crow.

[–] A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world 25 points 4 days ago (4 children)

We love nazis so much we saved half of them after WW2 and brought them back home.

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[–] DarkFuture@lemmy.world 82 points 5 days ago (10 children)

We used to kill Nazis.

Now we cheer them, shrug them off, or make excuses for them.

This nation is pathetic.

I wonder how many conservative's ancestors fought the Nazis and now they're voting for Nazis.

Hey 2A enthusiasts. This is the moment you've been saying you need your guns for your entire pathetic lives. Where you at?

[–] Shezzagrad@lemmy.ml 26 points 4 days ago (15 children)

Assuming you're American, you do understand the irony of America taking in the most nazi elite and scientists for their own personal projects right? Also if you read mein kampf you'll find it fascinating how much he was inspired by American legalised racism and ethnic cleanings. America is a nation built like how Israel was, through ideological and legalized genocide, racism, fascism and racism. I'm starting to comprehend how the soviet did the real nazi killing and suffered the real consequences of the Nazis unlike America.

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[–] CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world 71 points 5 days ago

I love AOC but I sure hope she has a really good security team. Most of us hate Nazis, but a whole lot of Republicans are actually Nazis and they hate and despise her.

[–] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 57 points 5 days ago (1 children)

a gesture (..) resembling a Nazi salute

Fuck off with that shitlib overcautiousness, HuffPo! The only way it could have been any more obviously a Nazi salute would have been if he had screamed "sieg heil!" while doing it!

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[–] JoeBidet@lemmy.ml 22 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (2 children)
[–] samus12345@lemm.ee 6 points 4 days ago (3 children)
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[–] cabron_offsets@lemmy.world 73 points 5 days ago (8 children)

Meh. 25% or so love them, another 25% couldn’t be bothered to care.

[–] RamblingPanda@lemmynsfw.com 37 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

Nobody could have predicted him to be a bad person. Really, that came as a surprise for everyone 🤡

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[–] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca 12 points 4 days ago

Are you sure about that?

[–] BigBenis@lemmy.world 49 points 5 days ago

I want to live in the country she thinks she's living in...

[–] boonhet@lemm.ee 12 points 4 days ago

Well yeah but AOC has darker skin, therefore dirty immigrant. Elon Musk of course is lighter and has more money so he's a trueborn American and his opinion matters.

Just don't look up where either of those people were born.

[–] Domino@lemmings.world 10 points 3 days ago
[–] ExtremeDullard@lemmy.sdf.org 57 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

'In this country, we hate Nazis'

I wouldn't be so sure. Trump didn't win the election in a packet of cereals...

[–] cupcakezealot@lemmy.blahaj.zone 26 points 4 days ago

Madam President 🖤

[–] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 14 points 4 days ago (1 children)

You really don't seem to though

[–] loulan@lemmy.world 8 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (4 children)

Americans have zero excuse. You could argue that Germany was ruined by WW1 and the war reparations back in the 30s. But the US economy is doing much better than all other developed economies these days. Americans voted fascists in just because.

[–] samus12345@lemm.ee 7 points 4 days ago

Because capitalism has ensured that the "good economy" isn't reaching the average working class person like it should.

[–] Drusas@fedia.io 4 points 3 days ago

The Republicans have been grooming the country for this for decades now.

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[–] noxypaws@pawb.social 27 points 5 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (6 children)

Fucking preach.

I really hope AOC considers a 2028 run for President.

Edit: please fuck off about the uncertainty of 2028 elections, I'm excruciatingly aware, your reminders are not helpful.

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[–] _wizard@lemmy.world 32 points 5 days ago (2 children)

I greatly appreciate her frustration and look forward to her being the largest voice in dissent.

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[–] HawlSera@lemm.ee 19 points 4 days ago

Most based AOC, I wonder if the hate-thirsting over her will begin again now that she's becoming such a needed voice in these trying times.

Only asking because the memes about Ben Shapiro wnating her feet pics were funny as hell.

But seriously, can it actually not? I low-key hated all the "Let's just tell dumb blonde jokes with AOC instead of the dumb blonde." memes, cause it's like.. when we call Trump dumb, we can point to shit he actually did (like turn every American into a woman because he's too transphobic to know how to read), we aren't just saying it to say it.

[–] Gammelfisch@lemmy.world 16 points 4 days ago

Damn straight. Every US WW II rolled in their grave twice when the sack of shit "Leon Hitler" went on stage. AOC, find a way to fix the Democratic party.

[–] wildcardology@lemmy.world 22 points 5 days ago (4 children)

The US also let neo-nazis march on the streets without contest.

[–] blakenong@lemmings.world 23 points 5 days ago (7 children)

This is an unpopular opinion with .world mods, but I believe nazis should be dealt with immediately.

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[–] Typotyper@sh.itjust.works 25 points 5 days ago

I wish that were true

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