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Donald Trump signed an executive order to challenge birthright citizenship, targeting children of undocumented immigrants born in the U.S.

The order argues against the 14th Amendment, which guarantees citizenship for those born on U.S. soil.

It bars federal agencies from recognizing birthright citizenship and imposes a 30-day waiting period for enforcement.

The order is expected to face significant legal challenges, with critics calling it unconstitutional.

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[–] MapleEngineer@lemmy.world 25 points 4 hours ago (3 children)

“It’s ridiculous, we’re the only country in the world that does this with birthright, as you know, and it’s just absolutely ridiculous. We think we have really good grounds. People have wanted to do this for decades.”

Canada has birthright citizenship.

Trump is ignorant and Trump is stupid.

Congratulations, America, you elected a convicted felon, adjudicated rapist, serial sexual assaulter and harasser, serial adulterer, serial fraudster, pathological liar, lifelong con man, and wannabe dictator but more importantly you elected a fucking idiot.

[–] blurryeyes@lemmy.world 16 points 4 hours ago (1 children)
[–] MapleEngineer@lemmy.world 8 points 3 hours ago (1 children)
[–] MapleEngineer@lemmy.world 2 points 2 hours ago

Lower Canada

Apparently we can unilaterally rename you because we border you.

[–] capital_sniff@lemmy.world 2 points 2 hours ago

That and Trump made at least three different attempts (that we know of) to remain in office last time. Fake electors, find those Georgia votes, and an actual attack on the Capitol. The GOP and her voters then spent four years squawking about election security and fraud. Their jackass right wing media spent time revamping white replacement theory... so they have to on some level understand democracy and voting.

So what do the big on the rule of law real Americans do? They vote for the only candidate that tried to disenfranchise a whole shit ton of American voters. It is absolutely wild that so many domesticated standard Americans failed this very very basic test.

[–] Eezyville@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 hours ago

We're number 1! U.S.A!!

[–] LaunchesKayaks@lemmy.world 44 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

Love how he swore an oath to uphold the constitution then a few hours later signs and executive order that goes against it

[–] AA5B@lemmy.world 5 points 4 hours ago

Just like he has one executive order for energy production and another to pause offshore wind farm leases

[–] starelfsc2@sh.itjust.works 54 points 9 hours ago (3 children)

just now realizing everything I have done in my life in trying to contribute less plastic and waste less is not even 0.00001% compared to the environmental damage these executive orders are going to do.

[–] ShadowWalker@lemmy.world 8 points 4 hours ago

The "you are personally responsible for climate change" was always a scam. It is the big corporations that are responsible.

[–] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 2 points 3 hours ago

I'm upset that I'm too ingrained in my ways to become a greedy, racist, sexist, boorish asshole because those guys are gonna have an amazing four years.

[–] Tire@lemmy.ml 20 points 8 hours ago (2 children)

Take off your individualism hat and put on your collective hat. Group actions make a difference.

[–] __nobodynowhere@lemm.ee 6 points 4 hours ago

It's a lot easier to disappear a guy as a group

[–] towerful@programming.dev 5 points 5 hours ago

Both things can be true.
OP can be doing good.
And potus can be doing shit and running rough-shod over the working class

[–] alphapuggle@programming.dev 80 points 11 hours ago (4 children)
[–] nepenthes@lemmy.world 23 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

Fuck, lots to unpack here.

Sooooo, that actually is his official portrait? I thought someone posted it as satire. At least he's not hiding that he's the villain.

"America we're back" is his slogan? That and the pic looks after school special.

The loading screen icon is the White House -- was it always? Because as a Canadian all it invokes in me is the memory of us burning it down.

Did the constitution page get remapped? Or is it gone, gone?

[–] Asafum@feddit.nl 22 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

So I was just thinking they were being cheeky and posted a fake URL that would show an error from the Whitehouse website, but I Googled "whitehouse website constitution" and google has a link to their page on the constitution... It's gone.

they know what they're doing. it's to generate noise to confuse search terms about executive order effects in such a way that's easy for maga to deflect ("well they took it down by accident, you're triggered")

[–] Kayday@lemmy.world 6 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

This is what comes up when I search "white house website constitution"
The link works for me, but is curiously still tagged as the Biden Whitehouse.

[–] towerful@programming.dev 2 points 5 hours ago

https://www.archives.gov/ is like archive.org but for the US Government.
It would make sense that they archive government websites

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[–] Furbag@lemmy.world 31 points 11 hours ago (4 children)

I noticed a trend with Trump's executive order spree yesterday - almost all of them are just fluff or red meat for the base that don't have any effect on anything, like the one defining genders, and others are so blatantly unconstitutional that they will be challenged and most likely never implemented, like the one in question terminating birthright citizenship - it's guaranteed to go before the courts and get struck down. Doing something like that would require an constitutional amendment.

He's counting on the goldfish brain base to give him credit for doing these wacky things and then not pay attention three weeks from now when an ACLU lawsuit essentially puts the order in limbo before it dies in front of a judge.

Trump might as well sign an executive order that declares himself Emperor of the Moon and Supreme Chancellor of Outer Space, it'll have about the same amount of impact as this first round of executive orders will.

[–] __nobodynowhere@lemm.ee 7 points 4 hours ago

There are no longer checks nor balances.

[–] ubergeek@lemmy.today 16 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

it’s guaranteed to go before the courts and get struck down. Doing something like that would require an constitutional amendment.

lolwut?

With this SCOTUS, they will pluck the case out of the line, before it goes down any circuit, and they will issue a ruling declaring it constitutional.

That's what happens when you have a bought-and-paid-for SCOTUS.

[–] ECB@feddit.org 5 points 6 hours ago

They'll probably strike down one or two of them just so they can claim "look, we're still independent!!"

Of course the ones to get struck down have already been agreed upon

[–] dejected_warp_core@lemmy.world 16 points 10 hours ago (3 children)

Trump might as well sign an executive order that declares himself Emperor of the Moon and Supreme Chancellor of Outer Space, it’ll have about the same amount of impact as this first round of executive orders will.

Look, not to call you out or anything, but the impact of these edicts (however nonsensical) is radically different now that he's in office.

The problem isn't the legitimacy or legality of any such order, it's the veracity and scope to which they are carried out regardless of those facts. He just pardoned the Jan 6th insurrectionists. Now, people that are handed off-the-wall, yet much more clear, orders from the White House can now go on thinking that illegal activity pursued in the name of said order will be washed away. So, stuff like this will cause damage to be done well before any courts can intervene, constitutionality be damned.

As a bonus, this adds culpability to the actions of his subordinates. Step in line or lose your job. Fail me after committing a crime and you go straight to prison. This is an organized crime tactic to keep shady people in line.

[–] DukeHawthorne@lemmy.world 7 points 9 hours ago

That's the key. With these ECs and the pardons, Trump's lackies are free to do whatever they want, using these as an excuse. If anything does happen to them, Trump made it clear he'll pardon them. and if Trump is scrutinized, he's got the SC on his side who just gave the president unlimited power. And if push comes to shove, he'll just pardon himself.

There is literally nothing holding him accountable anymore. Nothing and no one.

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[–] NuXCOM_90Percent@lemmy.zip 22 points 10 hours ago (3 children)

t’s guaranteed to go before the courts and get struck down

If only trump controlled the highest court in all the land. A "supreme" court, if you will.

That said, trump and his allies have been pretty open that the idea is to spam EOs to demoralize people and distract them from what they are really doing. And, in this case, Legal Eagle (and Liz Dye) kind of already explained it:

The idea will be to declare a border crisis (done) to give the potus wider reaching powers. Same with declaring Mexican cartels as terrorists (they kind of are, but not to us). The combination of those mean they can invade sanctuary cities under "national security" excuses and can argue that illegal immigrants are enemy combatants which DO have a carve out.

The "quirk" of Kamala no longer being a citizen because her parents were here under student (?) visas MIGHT get struck down. But the real goal of populating labor camps with brown people is right on track.

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[–] pineapplelover@lemm.ee 37 points 13 hours ago (8 children)

How does this work? Aren't most people citizens because of birthright citizenship?

[–] jj4211@lemmy.world 7 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

You can be a natural born citizen either by being here when born or by being born to a US citizen. The order challenges the former.

I saw people accurately predict that they would hang such an order on the "and subject to the jurisdiction thereof" portion. The argument was predicted to be that a mother on US soil unlawfully is excluded by that clause (though they are clearly subject to the jurisdiction despite being unlawful, this was the guess).

They are trying to push it even further by claiming people here legally also don't get the right, and there's not even a hint of rationalization to claim that somehow people legally here are not "subject to the jurisdiction".

[–] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 1 points 3 hours ago

If pregnant women from other countries aren't under the jurisdiction of the United States I've got an idea for the perfect crime

[–] SoftTeeth@lemmy.world 15 points 11 hours ago

Yes if you aren't Native American, your family probably gained citizenship through birthright.

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[–] But_my_mom_says_im_cool@lemmy.world 21 points 11 hours ago (1 children)
[–] Teknevra@lemmy.world 18 points 10 hours ago

Deport Elon

[–] Red_October@lemmy.world 66 points 14 hours ago (16 children)

Can't wait for the Right to recognize that if they normalize nullifying constitutional amendments with executive orders, the next Democrat president can just use that to nullify the 2nd Amendment that they're so terribly fond of.

Of course that assumes there will be another election some day.

[–] ubergeek@lemmy.today 8 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

the next Democrat president

lol, cute of you to think there will be a "next election".

[–] Red_October@lemmy.world 6 points 8 hours ago

Of course that assumes there will be another election some day.

Yeah I addressed that.

[–] thespcicifcocean@lemmy.world 29 points 12 hours ago

that assumes that the Dems will actually do literally anything at all.

[–] gamermanh@lemmy.dbzer0.com 27 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

Democrat president can just use that to nullify the 2nd Amendment

Can, but won't, because that would be "going low" and "we aren't like them"

You know, like cowardly dipshits

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[–] phughes@lemmy.ca 39 points 13 hours ago (9 children)

next Democrat president

LOL. Fascism is here. There will never be another Democrat president.

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[–] Treczoks@lemmy.world 105 points 16 hours ago (3 children)

with critics calling it unconstitutional.

You don't need to be a critic to call it unconstitutional. It is, as it contradicts an Amendment.

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