No but i dont care
I've been pirating for years. I just don't want to pay for things
this post was submitted on 19 Jan 2025
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I'm not going to say piracy is right or wrong.
What I will say is if everyone had access to that replicator, and everyone replicated everything in the store and left, the store would close down, and the products would stop being made.
Likewise, piracy is only viable because not everyone does it. If literally every person pirated the games or movies of any given company, that company would no longer be profitable and would close down.
Piracy is getting something for free because other people pay for it.
Except there are people who buy something AND want to have offline backup copies of it.
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PIRACY IS BAD AND ONLY BAD PEOPLE DO IT.
I’ve never pirated anything in my whole life!
Good thing you said that, I was about to send some agents to have a "nice chat" with you.
My moral is always on match with that of the company so in most cases everything is acceptable.
I decided on my moral beliefs on piracy back during the days of Kazaa and Limewire. Back then the RIAA was shaking down teenagers, threatening them with statutory liabilities of a quarter million dollars per song, simply because the law allowed it. They would threaten low-income families with lawsuits in the millions and get them to settle for a still-ridiculous settlement of few thousand dollars. Even the settlements were far in excess of the full retail cost of purchasing these songs.
I decided then that if the law allows this kind of thing, then copyright law as it exists now is fundamentally immoral. And immoral laws are not worthy of respect.
I mostly take a pragmatic approach to copyright. Whether I pay for something is a combination of the quality of the work, the reputation of the company selling it, the customer service provided by the legitimate product, the probability of getting caught for violating copyright law, etc. An indie publisher that treats their people well? I'll buy it. Mass market schlock made by criminally underpaid artists for rent-seeking megacorps? I'll pirate that all day, every day.
But morality literally plays no part in it. I learned long ago that copyright law exists outside of the realm of morality. The decision to buy or pirate is an entirely practical one; morality simply isn't a factor.
Stealing a physical item from a giant corporate store is also always morally acceptable.
Having power neurologically suppresses empathy. Therefor resources controlled by the powerful will on average be used more harmfully. Taking resources from the powerful reduces total harm done.
You will use a loaf of bread less harmfully than Walmart will use the profit from it.
Stealing a physical item from a giant corporate store is also always morally acceptable.
not really, it makes the store lock everything up behind plexiglass creating more friction for paying customers too.
Of course, theft wouldn't happen nearly as much if no one was desperate the survive, but even then there'd still be entitled assholes that want even more.
not really, it makes the store lock everything up behind plexiglass creating more friction for paying customers too.
That's not really harm in the way that hunger or poverty or lobbying against workers protections is harm. That's more like a temporary inconvenience that doesn't stop anyone getting what they need, right?
When you download music online for free and prevent the company from making a profit off of a creative work by the artist, that they prevented from making a profit & royalties, is that wrong? Doubtful. You can always send the artist money directly if you want to support them.
the DMCA doesn't protect the artists or any of the singers, it protects the shitty record labels and the money that the executives at those companies get
Why do you have to take a moral stance?
Do it because it’s cool
Rage bait. Yawn.
my view on it lies in two seperate buckets:
- if the thing being pirated is vastly overpriced for its function i don't see it as immoral
- if the thing being pirated is no longer available or was never made available for private ownership, ie only able to be streamed and only available on said service so long as the host streamer still has rights to do so, it isn't immoral.
and just to be clear, i don't see piracy as inherently evil or anticapitalistic. there have been several books and apps that i pirated that i liked and converted to an actual buyer to get more books in the series or get updates to the program.
"stealing" a digital copy of a movie, tv show or a game is like if the item you're stealing from a store is infinitely copyable.
What if it's a physical Blu-ray? Those are infinitely copyable.
physical media is a physical finite item. digital media can be copied infinitely
the reason why physical media is getting harder and harder to find is because the copyright nazis can't control it. If they want to memory-hole a scene, they can't change the content of that blu-ray disc with the original version on it
and steal other things as well
And yet you can borrow anything from the local library for free and its considered totally fine and not pirating.
Private property is theft piracy in all forms is morally exceptable. DMCA actively harms progress, and this isn't some techbro take as I disagree with AI.
It is always morally acceptable to pirate things ~~made by giant corporations~~
Fixed it for you.
I'd make a point saying that there's a personal moral and a broader societal understanding of morality, and they don't always align.
That's a fair point.
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Big agree, also now I want to rewatch Sabrina the Teenage Witch lol
Personally I don't really care too much about whether it's moral or not. I pirate when I feel like it and don't when I don't feel like it. I also pay for some things that I pirated before and enjoyed as long as it isn't too expensive.
Can you further expand on why you think it's bad? I'm generally curious.
PIRACY IS WRONG AND IMMORAL! YOU SHOULD NEVER PIRATE ANYTHING! FRIENDS DON'T LET FRIENDS PIRATE THINGS!
Was this in the Bible or something? Why is it immoral?
Let me ask this. Imagine 1 person owned many farms of food. They sell their food and they own a huge house on top of the hill. There is more than enough food to feed every person in town. The only way for anyone to get food is to buy it from this one person since he owns all of the farm land and if anyone tries to farm their own food, he uses his money to push them around and makes them stop.
A family is struggling to find work. The father asks the farm owner if he could get some food to eat. The farm owner obviously says no. Pay or no food, he says. The family ends up starving to death.
Would it be wrong for the family to steal food in this case so they can survive? Or is that immoral? Is the farm owner immoral for not helping them? He has plenty of money to last him 100 lifetimes, his belly is full, but he keeps eating. Who is wrong here?
The only person stealing is the one who circumvents the DRM and shares it. It’s not stealing to see or hear something.
It literally depends on your morals… it’s a question only you can answer.